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EU Data Protection: Proposed Amendments Written by US Lobbyists

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Re: EU Data Protection: Proposed Amendments Written by US Lobbyists

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Post by homosaur »

rmc wrote: post #8
netcan wrote: post #6

There are layers upon layers of problems here. 1. EU democracy and governance is not great. Very few europeans have any understanding of how the EU legislative process works or feel like they have anything to do with it. 2. Lobbying is increasingly making a mockery of consultation as an idea. 3. These laws are pretty technical and the people making them have no understanding of the issues. They don't need lobbyists t…

Actually a lot of EU directives are relatively easy to read. It only gets complex and legalese when national governments transpose them into national law.

I think you mean when the EU overlords give directives and then the slave countries are forced to manipulate language and law to make those directives legal in their nations.

Hyperbole? Only sorta.

Re: EU Data Protection: Proposed Amendments Written by US Lobbyists

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Post by homosaur »

Nursie wrote: post #5

The wording in any data protection act within the EU should be strongly anti-US. It's been shown many times that the US government does not consider data held in the US or by US corps on non-US citizens to be protected at all.

Even without looking at the ethics of all this, you're exactly right. At the most basic level, why do governments do things that are against the national interest in favor of multinational corporations or other countries?

I think the answer probably has to do with who is picking up the tab. Politicians are owned, even more so the higher level you get.

Re: EU Data Protection: Proposed Amendments Written by US Lobbyists

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Post by Nursie »

homosaur wrote: post #12
Nursie wrote: post #5

The wording in any data protection act within the EU should be strongly anti-US. It's been shown many times that the US government does not consider data held in the US or by US corps on non-US citizens to be protected at all.

Even without looking at the ethics of all this, you're exactly right. At the most basic level, why do governments do things that are against the national interest in favor of multinational corporations or other countries? I think the answer probably has to do with who is picking up the tab. Politicians are owned, even more so the higher level you get.

I'm not sure it's so simple, but there's definitely something wrong. You wonder if they live in a little echo-chamber that only lobbyists have access to.

In terms of laws that impact trade I think they absolutely do need to consider whether new data laws will make trade with the US (or other entity) difficult, because it could negatively affect both sides. However they shouldn't always shy away from it when it's the right thing to do.

Re: EU Data Protection: Proposed Amendments Written by US Lobbyists

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Post by netcan »

rmc wrote: post #8
netcan wrote: post #6

There are layers upon layers of problems here. 1. EU democracy and governance is not great. Very few europeans have any understanding of how the EU legislative process works or feel like they have anything to do with it. 2. Lobbying is increasingly making a mockery of consultation as an idea. 3. These laws are pretty technical and the people making them have no understanding of the issues. They don't need lobbyists t…

Actually a lot of EU directives are relatively easy to read. It only gets complex and legalese when national governments transpose them into national law.

I'm not talking about the language. I mean that if you ask someone in Italy or Poland how reps get elected, what their job is, what sort of laws they can make, how they get enforced locally, how you can participate, etc., then they have no idea.

It feels more like the American IRS than the Congress.

Re: EU Data Protection: Proposed Amendments Written by US Lobbyists

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Post by sgift »

netcan wrote: post #14
rmc wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually a lot of EU directives are relatively easy to read. It only gets complex and legalese when national governments transpose them into national law.

I'm not talking about the language. I mean that if you ask someone in Italy or Poland how reps get elected, what their job is, what sort of laws they can make, how they get enforced locally, how you can participate, etc., then they have no idea. It feels more like the American IRS than the Congress.

> what sort of laws they can make

None. This is the reason the EU parliament is no real parliament. It lacks the option to make law and can only say "yes", "no" and "change this, then we may like it". In legal terms: The EU parliament lacks the right of initiative. Only the EU commission has this right.

Re: EU Data Protection: Proposed Amendments Written by US Lobbyists

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Post by sgift »

homosaur wrote: post #11
rmc wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually a lot of EU directives are relatively easy to read. It only gets complex and legalese when national governments transpose them into national law.

I think you mean when the EU overlords give directives and then the slave countries are forced to manipulate language and law to make those directives legal in their nations. Hyperbole? Only sorta.

Directives of the "EU overlords" have to be accepted by the Council of the European Union, which represents the "slave countries".

Re: EU Data Protection: Proposed Amendments Written by US Lobbyists

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Post by axelfreeman »

netcan wrote: post #6

There are layers upon layers of problems here. 1. EU democracy and governance is not great. Very few europeans have any understanding of how the EU legislative process works or feel like they have anything to do with it. 2. Lobbying is increasingly making a mockery of consultation as an idea. 3. These laws are pretty technical and the people making them have no understanding of the issues. They don't need lobbyists t…

I agree with you. The result of the "cookie law" is stupid, but this is an interpretation of the webmasters. The law says that you must ask before you save data on the clientside if its not the main reason. But there are still many questions.

Why couldn't they say: We have a tracking-problem let's force to use do-not-track or make better default cookie options? Problem solved.

Re: EU Data Protection: Proposed Amendments Written by US Lobbyists

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Post by homosaur »

Nursie wrote: post #13
homosaur wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even without looking at the ethics of all this, you're exactly right. At the most basic level, why do governments do things that are against the national interest in favor of multinational corporations or other countries? I think the answer probably has to do with who is picking up the tab. Politicians are owned, even more so the higher level you get.

I'm not sure it's so simple, but there's definitely something wrong. You wonder if they live in a little echo-chamber that only lobbyists have access to. In terms of laws that impact trade I think they absolutely do need to consider whether new data laws will make trade with the US (or other entity) difficult, because it could negatively affect both sides. However they shouldn't always shy away from it when it's the…

Yes, they definitely do live in an echo chamber which is why their views are so skewed, but they also live in the world of globalist weasels who love this crap. Most of the people who would participate in a body as anti-democratic as the EU are not dependent on their own nations to succeed to make their checkbooks fat. They, like say, AlGore and Soros and these creeps, are mostly tied to economic interests outside of their own nations and could honestly care less whether or not their own nations sink or swim. Do I care whether the company across the street goes belly up?

Now you can go crazy down the conspiracy road here and think those people are somehow in a cabal, but I think it's far more simple than that. They are just more reliant on groups outside their countries for their personal success.

Re: EU Data Protection: Proposed Amendments Written by US Lobbyists

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Post by homosaur »

sgift wrote: post #16
homosaur wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you mean when the EU overlords give directives and then the slave countries are forced to manipulate language and law to make those directives legal in their nations. Hyperbole? Only sorta.

Directives of the "EU overlords" have to be accepted by the Council of the European Union, which represents the "slave countries".

Oh, you mean the non-elected social club for European elites? Yeah, part of the problem.

Re: EU Data Protection: Proposed Amendments Written by US Lobbyists

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Post by [deleted] »

netcan wrote: post #6

There are layers upon layers of problems here. 1. EU democracy and governance is not great. Very few europeans have any understanding of how the EU legislative process works or feel like they have anything to do with it. 2. Lobbying is increasingly making a mockery of consultation as an idea. 3. These laws are pretty technical and the people making them have no understanding of the issues. They don't need lobbyists t…

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