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About Not Owning Sh*t

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Re: About Not Owning Sh*t

#71
I find the non-materialistic ideal very appealing. I wish I owned less stuff and spent less time thinking about material possessions.

But every time I read about this sort of thing on-line, I find out that's not what the writer really means:

I just very sincerely don’t give a fuck.

It seems to me that those who really don't care don't bother putting their non-existent thoughts about the things they don't care about into words and then posting them to an international information network. Announcing loudly that one "doesn't care about X" is the way an adolescent shields him or herself from his own overwhelming feelings about X.

I own little, but I try and make sure that this little is reliable and safe. I buy what I want and need, of the best quality I can afford.

And it seems to me that if you truly didn't care about material possessions, you wouldn't waste the time and effort evaluating the quality, reliability, and safety of them before you acquire them, either. On a long enough time-line, everything is ephemeral. How much thought do you put into buying a paper cup?

It's easy for a geek, these days, to imagine that he's living a non-materialistic life, because his television, newspaper, telephone, phonebook, encyclopedia, almanac, dictionary, bookshelf full of books, music system, airline schedules, camera, day planner, calorie counter, robot personal trainer, star charts, robot translator, etc. all fit in one or two pockets.

The fact that those things are all software now doesn't mean you don't own them, or that they're not consuming a share of your awareness. From a certain point of view, the fact that you take this carefully curated collection of stuff with you everywhere you go may make you super-materialistic in a way that wasn't even possible just a few years ago.

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What resonates with me extremely well is the way he prioritizes work and eating quality. The older I get the more I realize the importance of these things. Having down time, either through technical or health difficulties, is just not worth it. I also get his never-eat-at-home idea. It just takes time and effort to buy and cook stuff which is better spent on things more enjoyable. Fortunately the health food/organic…

"It just takes time and effort to buy and cook stuff which is better spent on things more enjoyable." Have you really never taken joy in preparing food for friends and family? Cooking is a leisure activity for me, so I don't consider it a waste of time either.

I always found it a dreadful experience. It takes a lot of effort, but all the time and thought-investment is gone within half an hour and you even have to clean up afterwards. I prefer much more spending the time having stimulating talks or reading a book while letting the cooking be done by others who find it more enjoyable.

Re: About Not Owning Sh*t

#73
Every time I see people like this I am reminded of the Einstein quote, "everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler." There is much to be said for living a simple and even frugal life, but this is not a simple life, it's a selfish personal indulgence. It is a life that is only possible if you have money and live in places that have the wasteful infrastructure that is needed to support a consumer culture and economy. He's opted out of the consumer-ownership food-chain and lives in the rental-consumer food chain. If you really want to live with no possessions, move to Laos or Cambodia and become a Buddhist monk, they don't even need a suitcase to hold all of their possessions.

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Don't you people have any hobbies? For me it is cycling. My bike is my most important possession along with the various tools, wheels, spare bikes, etc. I mean, I get the whole zen thing but life is too short to not have anything . If you do anything outdoors you need equipment (you can rent some equipment but that gets old fast).

It is amazing, how you can get attached to your bike. Mine was stolen a couple of years a go and I still miss it.

I had a bike stripped of parts from just outside our flat years ago - I almost cried when I saw that all that was left was the very sad looking frame chained to the wall. :-(

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I'm perpetually amused by all the people acutely aware of their privilege, and how they rarely mention any of the things they're doing to try to right the injustice. It strikes me as the same making racist remarks and then insisting you have black friends, (the corollary being that my unchecked privilege probably makes me an unapologetic racist in this analogy but at least that's honest, I guess)

You should not assume either that lack of mention means lack of action.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It just takes time and effort to buy and cook stuff which is better spent on things more enjoyable." Have you really never taken joy in preparing food for friends and family? Cooking is a leisure activity for me, so I don't consider it a waste of time either.

I always found it a dreadful experience. It takes a lot of effort, but all the time and thought-investment is gone within half an hour and you even have to clean up afterwards. I prefer much more spending the time having stimulating talks or reading a book while letting the cooking be done by others who find it more enjoyable.

If you're doing it right you get to be creative, make something people love and somebody else gets clear-up duty :)

Re: About Not Owning Sh*t

#78
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I'm perpetually amused by all the people acutely aware of their privilege, and how they rarely mention any of the things they're doing to try to right the injustice. It strikes me as the same making racist remarks and then insisting you have black friends, (the corollary being that my unchecked privilege probably makes me an unapologetic racist in this analogy but at least that's honest, I guess)

I'm perpetually amused by all the people acutely aware of their privilege, and how they rarely mention any of the things they're doing to try to right the injustice.

Injustice? there's nothing wrong with doing well and reaping the rewards thereof, there's nothing wrong with "knowing the right people", there's nothing wrong with honest success. There's no "injustice" to "right" in this case. In many/most cases, their success is indeed a consequence of making other people's lives better - certainly nothing to apologize for, nor condemn.

Re: About Not Owning Sh*t

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That seems extreme. I certainly cut down to two suitcases before emigrating a few years ago, and found it very liberating. In doing so I freed myself from just keeping stuff 'just in case' as I did before. I now live a much more minimal life, and feel much less surrounded by clutter. But as a permanent way of life? Nah, no thanks. I like my bed. I like my sofa. I like my tv. I like my microserver.

Weird. I read the post and asked myself "where's the news?" I thought the majority of HN readers lived like this. I do, but without the custom tailoring or whatever he was talking about. I can't afford that right now. Owning lots of stuff is a burden. Really is.

Well, there are varying degrees of 'not owning shit' - I don't own a great deal of stuff, but I own more than I have done in the past, and more than this guy who says he can fit all his possessions in a suitcase. I don't think I'd qualify by his standards - and maybe not by yours.

For example, I have enough clean clothes to go two weeks without doing laundry; four pairs of shoes (trainers, formal shoes, safety boots, dancing shoes); six sets of plates and glasses (more than I've ever needed to use at once); cooking stuff like pots, pans, spoons, whisk, scales etc; a motorcycle; a set of motorcycle maintenance tools; three different coats (regular coat, motorcycle jacket for me, motorcycle jacket for passenger); kit for several different sports; desktop computer, personal laptop and work laptop; soldering iron; digital storage oscilloscope. All stuff I need to get stuff done, but certainly more than I could fit in a suitcase.

Re: About Not Owning Sh*t

#80
If the apartment really looks like the photo, the poster does not and will never have a girlfriend. Bed frame and at least a love seat are a must for dating, even in San Francisco.
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