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Coinbase Is Now Selling Over $1M USD Of Bitcoin Per Month

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Paypal is always super expensive... I really recommend using cash at an ATM with Bitme: http://howdoyoubuybitcoins.com/from/bitme/

Available in Scandinavia? Europe?

There are other options available for people in Europe:

http://howdoyoubuybitcoins.com/in/europe/

Hope it helps!

Re: Coinbase Is Now Selling Over $1M USD Of Bitcoin Per Month

#102
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If you have used coinbase, please write a review of it for us! http://howdoyoubuybitcoins.com/from/coinbase/ If you want to deposit cash at a Chase ATM, you can do so with BitMe: http://howdoyoubuybitcoins.com/from/bitme/ ..and if you don't live in the united states, we have guides for you too: http://howdoyoubuybitcoins.com/in/

Can you explain how the BitMe Chase ATM deposit method works? Their website doesn't say a lot (just to make a deposit in their Chase account and save the receipt.)

You go to their website, and say how much you want to deposit (lets say $100). They will give you a final deposit amount that is pretty similar, but different (e.g. $99.86), which allows them to identify your deposit. Once the deposit is made, they verify it, and if there are any problems, they will request your receipt.

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Fiat does not imply constructed. The notion that gold (or tulips) are valuable are equally constructed ideas by humans. Nothing has 'inherent' value apart from the value humans perceive these things to have. No, the only thing fiat implies is manipulation - the ability for a government or person to mess with the value of a currency by 'willing it to be.' Bitcoin is not fiat.

Just based on the Wikipedia article, I don't think you're right that fiat implies manipulation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_currency So, based on that definition, it is true that Bitcoin is not a fiat currency because it is not given value by law or government. However, although it technically does not have a centralized issuing authority that can arbitrarily create Bitcoins, Satoshi Nakamoto did hard code a cr…

You're making the mistake of consulting a medium writable by throngs of InternetLibertarians™. :P There is nothing inherent in the economic concept of a fiat currency of government.

What is a law or a government in any case? Bitcoin is created by rules. The rules are embedded in a program instead of a law-book. The governed users opt in by using the software rather than by living in some geography. The rules are enforced by being mathematically unbreakable rather than with courts and prisons. These factors alone shouldn't be especially significant, other than that they make Bitcoin more just and efficient.

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The price jumped from $13 to $22 over 1 month, not 12 hours. http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg60ztgSzm1g10zm2g2...

Youre actually right. It jumped from around 15.50 to a bit above 20 in one day. The point stands though, very short term, massive spikes.

You misremember.

On Jan 23-24, there is a 36 hour period where it jumped from $16.8 to $19.2. http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg30zczsg2013-01-24... That's the closest scenario I can find. Certaintly not "$15.5 to $20+ in 12 hours".

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It sounds like you have a feeling that bitcoin isn't good enough, but don't have any actual reasons for it.

"The network has too many fundamental inaccessibilities" Just because I didn't rattle all of these off doesn't mean "I don't have any actual reasons for it". I suggest you ask more politely for exposition next time. The blockchain is huge, and splitting it is ad-hoc patchwork. The network was obviously not designed for such a thing and I'm not really optimistic about it. At this point it takes 6+ days to bootstrap a…

> and splitting it is ad-hoc patchwork

What are you talking about here?

> The network was obviously not designed for such a thing

Are you talking about Section 7 "Reclaiming Disk Space" and section 8 "Simplified Payment Verification" in the initial design document, which have a profound influence on the design— as Bitcoin uses a hash tree to aggregate transactions instead of just a simple hash in order to accommodate those design features?

> There is still no easy integration method with extant payment systems.

Unfortunately existing online payment systems are highly reversible for months after the transaction completes. This is problematic for many kinds of merchants and it's one of the reasons that digital goods sales on the Internet have mostly been a failure outside of a few special marketplaces.

> In many cases you must supply a lot of personal documentation to do anything meaningful on the exchanges.

This is common anti-money laundering law conformance— same thing you deal with w/ paypal... not exactly a limitation of Bitcoin.

> The system of block verification makes it impossible to do truly instantaneous transfers.

Nothing requires you to do payments in Bitcoin by directly transacting on the Bitcoin network. Scalability and speed require that not all transactions are made directly— likewise, the USD is a dumb piece of paper that can't be sent over electronic networks... and yet the USD is a widely used currency. You can do instant transaction trivially in Bitcoin, e.g. using mtgox codes and less centralized systems can be built if anyone cares.

> The system is vulnerable to 51%+ attacks.

Can you suggest any currency or system of agreement that doesn't have an analogous weakness?

At least in the context of Bitcoin the things a majority hashpower attacker can do are strictly limited: they can reorder transactions (and only recent ones unless they are a very big supermajority).

Compare this to a government created currency which can be inflated boundlessly by a small percentage of the population choosing to mint a trillion dollar 'coin' on a political whim.

> single-home GPU farms are going to be enough to compete

Mining's rewards are linear. Participants make on average their share of the new coin relative to the computing power they provide to secure the currency. And indeed, it's specialized. Is the USD uncompetitive because printing your own gets you imprisoned or gold uncompetitive because gold mining is hard?

Get a job, Kid. It's a currency not a free-money-for-nothing-thing.

> Many of the perceived benefits of bitcoin are illusory or misunderstood.

Well, that's true of many things.

> every transaction ever made with bitcoin is published publicly

Not so— a significant fraction of transactions are made off the blockchain, perhaps even a majority. Even within the blockchain the transactions are pseudonymous.

> I have "actual reasons" for it.

You may, but many of your perceived weaknesses are also illusory or misunderstood.

> A currency that doesn't have (at least most of) these issues will be super awesome, and bitcoin is an important predecessor, but it's not the end of the story

The most important difference between Bitcoin and your hypothetical perfect digital currency is that Bitcoin exists and it works. Satoshi didn't waste time waxing philosophical on the internet, he shut up and wrote code. If there is one thing you could learn from Bitcoin, this should probably be it.

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Just based on the Wikipedia article, I don't think you're right that fiat implies manipulation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_currency So, based on that definition, it is true that Bitcoin is not a fiat currency because it is not given value by law or government. However, although it technically does not have a centralized issuing authority that can arbitrarily create Bitcoins, Satoshi Nakamoto did hard code a cr…

You're making the mistake of consulting a medium writable by throngs of InternetLibertarians™. :P There is nothing inherent in the economic concept of a fiat currency of government. What is a law or a government in any case? Bitcoin is created by rules. The rules are embedded in a program instead of a law-book. The governed users opt in by using the software rather than by living in some geography. The rules are enfo…

Bitcoin is created by rules of mathematics and mined by problem solving. Gold is creating by mining and refining and governed by the rules of physics.. What does any of this have to do with the definition of fiat? It's already defined, lookup the latin - 'it shall be'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fiat does not imply constructed. The notion that gold (or tulips) are valuable are equally constructed ideas by humans. Nothing has 'inherent' value apart from the value humans perceive these things to have. No, the only thing fiat implies is manipulation - the ability for a government or person to mess with the value of a currency by 'willing it to be.' Bitcoin is not fiat.

You have made the Internet-libertarian/goldbug mistake of thinking fiat is a dirty word.

Show me a fiat currency the appreciates over time and maybe I'll look at it differently. Have you ever thought of that the root of our over-consumption society might be caused by the need to keep our money always moving to prevent it from depreciating?

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In 2012 the bitcoin supply increased 33% In 2013 the supply will increase roughly 13%

In another 4 years when the reward halves again it will decrease to 4% inflation. At this point it will be harder than most government currencies.

(Gold inflates about 1.5% per year)

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I think bitcoin is an extremely interesting concept, and the economics around it are equally interesting. I bought a tiny amount when the prices were around the $11 mark, and its insane to think of the price-shift. I made a couple bucks off the price shift, but now I'm honestly thinking that the price will fall back down. Despite serving the needs of many SR/SatoshiDice people, I dont think they're quite at the point…

The problem with all fiat currencies is they have no inherent value; it is all in the eye of the beholder. So what is an "appropriate" price is quite difficult to determine. Most currencies are driven by being effective monopolies wherever they are issued, so the market price remains somewhat stable. Even so, many professional economists have opined that the exchange rates even between major currencies are way too vo…

Well, in general the price level of bitcoins, how much individual bitcoins are worth compared to other goods, is going to end up being governed by

  MV = PQ
Where M is the quantity of bitcoins, V is how fast they criculate, P is the price things in bitcoins, and Q is the size of the economy that bitcoins are used for. Since the bitcoin design prevents M from increasing that much, and since V tends to fluctuate a lot but remain stable in the long run, you should find that the value of each bitcoin mirrors the size of the economy that uses bitcoins in the long run. So buying bitcoins is essentially a bet that people will use them for more and more things.

With US dollars the government (or central bank). tries keep M at a level where Q doesn't move around too much, but bitcoin doesn't and can't have an institution like that.

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