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Re: Farewell, neighbors

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has Adrian written on why he left possibly as soon as he was able (assuming that Everyblock was acquired in "summer 2009", and many founders are tied to two year agreements to stay, and he left in August two years later)?

Yes, he blogged about his leaving: http://www.holovaty.com/writing/goodbye-everyblock/ FWIW, he left in August 2012, which would be three years after a summer 2009 acquisition. Also, he founded it back in July 2007...so when he says he "developed an uncontrollable itch to do something new", he probably meant it. Before Everyblock, he's been a pioneer in utilizing data and non-traditional journalism with news sites, m…

Oh, three years changes my "argument" somewhat. But good to read too, and more a matter of curiosity, than accusatory.

Re: Farewell, neighbors

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The whole free/not-free/kinda-free issue is raised in a couple of ways in this thread. NBC mentioned the challenge of creating a business model (caveat recent advertising efforts)

The question I have been following (and Dan Gillmor as well) is this, "Is there a 'self supporting' model for local journalism?"

For that to work the revenues generated have to cover the cost of running the site. And my experience is that this has to mean both keeping the cost of running the site as low as possible as well as finding revenue. We can see by example that without such a model these sites disappear.

Three possible models come to mind, although I'm sure there must be more;

1) Visitors to the site pay for access. Historically this is challenging, but with the experience of 'free' sites vanishing due to money problems perhaps there is a core set of consumers who could create a viable market for this.

2) Advertisers on the site share the costs of operating it amongst themselves. This is the current model for free 'weeklys' where advertising funds are the largest revenue model. The 'value' of net advertising however is much lower than paper advertising thanks in part to Google and others. So this is made harder by that and people more easily avoiding the advertisements.

3) A civic fund, basically spending some of the community's tax dollars on funding a local news portal/site.

Given the way that everyblock got created perhaps a migration where its tax funded at first, then advertising funded later? Sort of a private/public partnership. Clearly every city has communication issues with their citizens so they could use this sort of channel to reach out to folks who don't keep flyers around (Sunnyvale for example has a flyer which says which days of the year are free for bringing in hazardous waste to the dump)

I certainly agree with the general sentiment that this is a useful service.

Re: Farewell, neighbors

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post #52

I doubt this repo is current, but the code for everyblock is open source: https://code.google.com/p/ebcode/ Also, a fork: https://github.com/openplans/openblock

The fact that this code is not current is extremely surprising, actually. It's GPLV3-licensed, so my somewhat uninformed expectation is that MSNBC would be obligated to open-source any derivative works? Unless they did a complete rewrite of the codebase at some point.

I created a petition asking MSNBC to open-source the latest codebase and also release the user-generated content to the public domain:

https://www.change.org/petitions/msnbc-open-source-the-every...

Re: Farewell, neighbors

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post #52

I doubt this repo is current, but the code for everyblock is open source: https://code.google.com/p/ebcode/ Also, a fork: https://github.com/openplans/openblock

The fact that this code is not current is extremely surprising, actually. It's GPLV3-licensed, so my somewhat uninformed expectation is that MSNBC would be obligated to open-source any derivative works? Unless they did a complete rewrite of the codebase at some point. I created a petition asking MSNBC to open-source the latest codebase and also release the user-generated content to the public domain: https://www.chan…

From GPLV3: "One of the fundamental requirements of the GPL is that when you distribute object code to users, you must also provide them with a way to get the source."

Presumably MSNBC didn't distribute object code to users, in which case they have no obligation to open-source any derivative work.

Re: Farewell, neighbors

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post #56
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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But I think what Geoff said about what startups want is very interesting, and true. We persuade users to depend on us because we need it for success. To then turn around as a community and say "ha, why did you do that, idiot?" seems disingenuous to me.

'Turning around' implies it's the same group of users doing both. I, for one, have never persuaded a user to depend on a startup; I am squarely on the side of advising users never to depend on anything without a well-understood business plan, EVER.

Re: Farewell, neighbors

#66
post #20

For anyone interested, the Knight Foundation helped fund EveryBlock with a grant that required them to open source their code. http://code.google.com/p/ebcode/ The grant required that they open source it at the end of the grant period so I wouldn't be surprised if the source code was not current but for anyone who would like to keep it alive, this would give you a major head start. Also, it appears someone already di…

The source was dumped with no version history once in 2009. So, yes, out of date. That said, I know nothing of the conditions around this, what their plans were, and so on - so not judging. And a site like EveryBlock is less about source code and more about execution and moderation, which they did quite well for a time.

But this code is GPLV3. It's really curious how the source code became out-of-date. Isn't that a violation of the license?

Re: Farewell, neighbors

#67

http://www.nextdoor.com will make a good replacement.

Our neighborhood uses Nextdoor (about 950 homes) and it's fantastic for community building. It focused more on personal interaction than hyperlocal news aggregation, but in my opinion that made it more useful.

Neighbors in our community who have lived on the same block for 20 years without speaking are now getting together for block parties and sharing info about babysitters and local crimes. It's actually very useful.

Re: Farewell, neighbors

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post #21

I am super bummed about this. :-( I wrote some thoughts on my blog: http://www.holovaty.com/writing/rip-everyblock/ Adrian (EveryBlock founder)

So where to from here Adrian? Do you know whether the current team is staying on at NBC or are they looking for new gigs? And it'd be interesting to hear what you and the other founders have been working on as well.

>Do you know whether the current team is staying on at NBC or are they looking for new gigs?

From the post above:

NBC News acquired msnbc.com last year and now has decided to shut down the site and let go all 10 employees.

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