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Re: Silicon Valley job growth has reached dot-com boom levels, report says

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There's a tech boom going on in the bay area, and it seems like I'm constantly reading comments here on HN about how companies are having to scramble to find enough people with programming skill to fill the jobs being created. I hope this is true, and I have a related question. Let's say you have a 22-year-old living in the bay with no post-high school education and no programming experience. How far does this boom g…

If he's smart, can he get a job out of this if he decides, today, to self-study as hard as he can and see if he has an aptitude for this kind of thing?

Aptitude for what kind of thing? Since this is HN, I'll guess it means becoming a programmer, but you might also mean non-technical startup partner, other entrepreneur, or something else.

If you are dreaming of being a programmer but have no programming experience, I'd have to wonder what it is you are dreaming. It's not a glamorous profession when seen from the inside, but if you've been programming for a while and love programming enough to want to do it whether you are paid or not (like me), then it makes sense to try to get paid for it. But you'd have to program for a while before you could know that.

I think someone in your position should just find a job, any job that leaves your evenings free--Home Depot is hiring--and try to teach yourself to program every evening after work. Programming is frustrating for quite a while, so don't let it make you feel stupid. Just see if it starts to grow on you eventually or you gradually lose interest. If it grows on you, then start attending in-person meetups, participating in projects online, building things of your own and (later) showing them off, and talking to people you meet about your interest in a programming job somewhere.

Continue building skills, relationships, experience, and your resume by being strategic about gaining experience. If you can live with a Home Depot-level salary, you'll probably find small companies that won't care about your lack of college if you don't care that they don't pay much. Big companies like Google or Apple probably won't even talk to someone without either an impressive degree or an impressive list of professional accomplishments. You can eventually come up with the latter if you really do come to love programming, but until then, a bootstrap strategy suggests starting with programming for free (after work), then programming for a small company (that might not pay much), then specializing your skills a bit into whatever area you do best, then working at better (but not giant) companies, then deciding what to do from there.

If you find that you hate programming, don't despair. My Silicon Valley plumber makes $140/hr and thinks my programming job sounds like having to do math homework all day long for a lifetime (as if that were a bad thing, go figure), while his is driving around saving people and socializing, running his own company, working whatever hours he feels like...and the grime washes off at the end of the day.

Re: Silicon Valley job growth has reached dot-com boom levels, report says

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So why not move? Ideally, you should compete on a global market. Even an entry level programmer from a good university can do better than that in Beijing.

I won't move without a solid offer first. (and not for 50k). I have things to take care here, and if I ever move, I need to be stable enough and have money enough to return here sometimes to see how things are going. I cannot just go adventuring and move without a chance of getting a job first.

You can see a bit of the chicken-and-egg problem here. You're not willing to move without an offer. Yet your chances of getting an offer are dramatically multiplied if you do move to the Bay Area, even if only for a few months. Telecommuting has a bit of a bad rap at many companies.

Re: Silicon Valley job growth has reached dot-com boom levels, report says

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It's a great time to be a software developer. However, this can't last forever. For those of you that have also experienced the low times in this industry. What do you recommend in order to be ready for a potential big change? By a big change, I mean when the moment comes where developers are not so highly demanded, so well paid, so nicely appreciated.

Keep some contacts in the non-startup world. When the shit hits the fan people are still going to need boring-ass ecommerce and the like.

Re: Silicon Valley job growth has reached dot-com boom levels, report says

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Can some of these jobs please go somewhere else? Pretty please? There's no good reason all of this growth needs to be concentrated in the Bay Area, and it is hurting long-term residents in favor of people who will, in all likelihood, not be here in 5-10 years.

Tech job growth is happening everywhere, it's just that macroeconomically it only moves the needle in places like SV where it's a big enough percentage of the overall job market. I'm curious how to figure that a strong job market is hurting local residents though. If you plan on living in a place for a long time the worst thing that could happen is job loss.

Startup millionaires driving up housing prices to ridiculous levels, I imagine.

Re: Silicon Valley job growth has reached dot-com boom levels, report says

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This article is Silicon Valley-centric...but other metros are growing as fast or faster.

Austin, TX (where I live now after being in the Valley for 10 years) also added a similar amount of jobs in 2012:

http://www.deptofnumbers.com/employment/texas/austin/

Many of those jobs are in high-tech. A nice side benefit is that, due to the much lower tax rate and cheaper cost of living, you can actually be comfortable on a lower salary. My co-founder rents a 2000-sq.ft. house for $1250/mo.

tl;dr: Check out areas other than the Valley as well if you want a job in tech, and factor in quality-of-life to your decision on where to live.

Re: Silicon Valley job growth has reached dot-com boom levels, report says

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This article is Silicon Valley-centric...but other metros are growing as fast or faster. Austin, TX (where I live now after being in the Valley for 10 years) also added a similar amount of jobs in 2012: http://www.deptofnumbers.com/employment/texas/austin/ Many of those jobs are in high-tech. A nice side benefit is that, due to the much lower tax rate and cheaper cost of living, you can actually be comfortable on a l…

Austin is a great place to be. I haven't found a place with better balance of big city amenities and pay/cost of living ratio. You can live here as cheap(used to have $325 rent with one roommate) or as spendy as you prefer. Been living here for some time, lots of tech companies and a healthy community of people that do software. There are even startups - I'm starting with one in a couple of weeks.

Re: Silicon Valley job growth has reached dot-com boom levels, report says

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post #21

There's a tech boom going on in the bay area, and it seems like I'm constantly reading comments here on HN about how companies are having to scramble to find enough people with programming skill to fill the jobs being created. I hope this is true, and I have a related question. Let's say you have a 22-year-old living in the bay with no post-high school education and no programming experience. How far does this boom g…

If he's smart, can he get a job out of this if he decides, today, to self-study as hard as he can and see if he has an aptitude for this kind of thing? Aptitude for what kind of thing? Since this is HN, I'll guess it means becoming a programmer, but you might also mean non-technical startup partner, other entrepreneur, or something else. If you are dreaming of being a programmer but have no programming experience, I'…

Thank you for the detailed reply. I guess I was a little coy about "no" programming experience. I dipped my toe in far enough already that I feel I can guess (with not too much precision) what to expect. I'm not expecting glamour, but I am hoping I end up loving it. I do wish I had started programming earlier.

The "find a job at Home Depot and program at night" strategy is basically what I plan to do. And yeah, plumbing is on the list of possibilities too. But I hope I find something I like in programming.

Somehow it feels like I've been waiting for "permission" to do this, which is bizarre and makes no sense. But the five replies I've gotten to the first comment are confirmatory enough that I think I can keep my mouth shut, stop doubting, and just pursue this for a few months. Then I can pop up for air and see how far I've gotten. Again, thanks.

Re: Silicon Valley job growth has reached dot-com boom levels, report says

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There's a tech boom going on in the bay area, and it seems like I'm constantly reading comments here on HN about how companies are having to scramble to find enough people with programming skill to fill the jobs being created. I hope this is true, and I have a related question. Let's say you have a 22-year-old living in the bay with no post-high school education and no programming experience. How far does this boom g…

There's hope: I know plenty of successful mostly-self-taught to entirely-self-taught engineers at great companies. One of the best engineers I know is a former nurse. You have to be incredibly dedicated, be willing to put in many many hours before it seems to click, and try to find good peers or mentors to learn from... But it's doable, and you can get very good in a few years. Don't just do it for the pay or it'll b…

Thanks for the tiny little secret! That sounds ideal, once I reach that level of competence. :)

Re: Silicon Valley job growth has reached dot-com boom levels, report says

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There's a tech boom going on in the bay area, and it seems like I'm constantly reading comments here on HN about how companies are having to scramble to find enough people with programming skill to fill the jobs being created. I hope this is true, and I have a related question. Let's say you have a 22-year-old living in the bay with no post-high school education and no programming experience. How far does this boom g…

Your best bet for getting companies to be willing to take a risk on you, if you have no relevant education or work experience yet, is to start working on side projects(that you can share on places like GitHub), contributing to open source, maybe work on a phone app or two and release them (depending on where your interests lie exactly in the software world). Perhaps gather these into a slick, well designed, simple we…

Thanks for the advice. I'm near the beginning of Harvard's free Intro to Computer Science online course at the moment, and creating a niche community website sounds like an excellent project to take on once I have the skills. :)

Re: Silicon Valley job growth has reached dot-com boom levels, report says

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tech job growth is happening everywhere, it's just that macroeconomically it only moves the needle in places like SV where it's a big enough percentage of the overall job market. I'm curious how to figure that a strong job market is hurting local residents though. If you plan on living in a place for a long time the worst thing that could happen is job loss.

Startup millionaires driving up housing prices to ridiculous levels, I imagine.

But if you live there then this helps your property values. Otherwise why not live in Detroit?
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