Live data from Hacker News

Aggressive negative advertising by Microsoft against Google.

scroogled.com

31–40 of 178 posts

Re: Aggressive negative advertising by Microsoft against Google.

#32
If you login to Outlook.com (which is extremely slow btw), you'll also find the following settings page available from the bottom right cog icon: https://data.choice.microsoft.com/mydata/UserInterests

Under 'My Data' it stores Bing Searches and takes guesses as to your 'Interests'. How does it do that exactly? Operationally, how different is Outlook.com a.k.a Hotmail, compared to Google? Both are free, and nothing is for free in this world. So, Microsoft also have an angle.

Digging further you'll find information on Microsoft Advertising, which is something I don't remember actively opting in to, but I appear to be registered for: https://data.choice.microsoft.com/MyChoices/MSAdvertising

It states, and I quote:

> About Microsoft Advertising

> With the Microsoft Personal Data Dashboard (beta), you can choose not to receive personalized ads on websites that use the Microsoft Advertising Platform by not allowing Microsoft Advertising to use your information.

> Information used by Microsoft Advertising

> The Microsoft Advertising Platform customizes personalized ads based on different types of information, including but not limited to:

> Bing searches

> Interests

> Profile

> What does it mean not to allow Microsoft Advertising to use your information?

> Well, first, it doesn't mean you will stop getting ads or see fewer ads; but, it does mean that the ads you get won't be personalized anymore by Microsoft Advertising. Microsoft will continue to collect information for other uses, such as delivering content that is personalized for you; for example, the news articles displayed on MSN and the results you get when you search for software updates.

I guess, at least I can opt-out. Google doesn't allow me to opt-out of their creepiness. Saying that though, even though GMail creeps me out, but I'm addicted to the user interface.

Re: Aggressive negative advertising by Microsoft against Google.

#33
I find it hilarious that I emotionally support Google enough that my immediate reaction is "HEY ITS NOT SO BAD" when I see this page; and then roll my eyes at the petition. At the same time I don't use facebook for privacy issues and the thing I am always going to do tomorrow is set up my own mail server. Brains are funny like that.

Re: Aggressive negative advertising by Microsoft against Google.

#34

Why should Google be exempt from criticism? I think its good that a big company like Microsoft is making this kind of privacy an issue.

What issue, though? That your email is scanned by an algorithm to determine relevancy for ads? Guess what, your email is scanned by an algorithm on outlook.com too, to determine whether it's spam. It's exactly the same thing.

No it's not. Because I WANT spam protection... I don't want ads.

Just like it's fine for an electrician to enter my house to fix a power point. It is NOT okay for anyone to enter my house in order to sell me random things.

Re: Aggressive negative advertising by Microsoft against Google.

#35

Why should Google be exempt from criticism? I think its good that a big company like Microsoft is making this kind of privacy an issue.

What issue, though? That your email is scanned by an algorithm to determine relevancy for ads? Guess what, your email is scanned by an algorithm on outlook.com too, to determine whether it's spam. It's exactly the same thing.

You're right. Also, Microsoft proves that Google doesn't actually read your email in their video example, because if Google did, they wouldn't send you an ad for a free pet exam if you put your pet down. They'd send you to a pet store.

Re: Aggressive negative advertising by Microsoft against Google.

#36

This is the worst advertising method possible, rather than making a good product and focusing on its advantages towards competition, they prefer to paint them in bad light.

That is focusing on your advantage, the message ends with "Why outlook.com is better"

Re: Aggressive negative advertising by Microsoft against Google.

#39
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What issue, though? That your email is scanned by an algorithm to determine relevancy for ads? Guess what, your email is scanned by an algorithm on outlook.com too, to determine whether it's spam. It's exactly the same thing.

No it's not. Because I WANT spam protection... I don't want ads. Just like it's fine for an electrician to enter my house to fix a power point. It is NOT okay for anyone to enter my house in order to sell me random things.

If you don't want it, don't use Gmail. It's not fine to call an electrician to your house to fix the power point in return for you letting them sell you random things, and then say "no, I don't want the things, I just want the fix!"

It's not a breach of your privacy any more than spam filters reading your email is.

Re: Aggressive negative advertising by Microsoft against Google.

#40
Yeah, it negative, but with a funny twist to it. The problem is that most people lack a sense of humor and might take it too seriously. Though its quite ironic that MS is playing the privacy card. Its not like Google is a perfect company. They are the new MS. Even PG mentioned it in one of his essays.
Post reply on HN