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Review: BlackBerry 10 is better, much better, late than never

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Re: Review: BlackBerry 10 is better, much better, late than never

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Post by druiid »

freehunter wrote: post #35
jmduke wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if a company ever messes up then they're doomed to endlessly flounder? Hey, you remember the Apple Lisa?

You've just described how many on HN view Windows Phone. It doesn't matter how good it is, remember how bad it used to be?

And I'd say that's a bit sad. As someone whom uses the WP platform I have to say as far as software goes, MS really developed a great product. Everything just WORKS, whereas with my Android phone it ends up being the platform to 'tinker' with because things randomly crash, or run slow, etc.

In my experience WP has been well integrated and there's not really any need to tinker with anything (which I suppose some don't like, but for me I just want my phone to work).

Re: Review: BlackBerry 10 is better, much better, late than never

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Post by shawn-butler »

dublinben wrote: post #20
kunai wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you even read the review? This isn't related AT ALL to the old OS7 Bold or any other Blackberry line, which were awful. BB10 can do much more than an iPhone and be just as productive while providing a rich media experience.

The Palm Pre was an incredible phone, but that doesn't matter if the company dissolves. It's entirely realistic to not expect Blackberry (the company) to not be around two years from now.

The Palm Pre hardware was far from incredible unfortunately. The slider was notoriously broken. The case would crack with any wear. It wasn't exactly a premium platform to showcase the software innovations.

I think you really should look at Blackberry financial statements and revenue targets which have been very realistic if you believe the company is not going to be around in two years. You are making some pretty forward looking predictions that are not at all in line with either market analysts or blackberry estimates.

HN should be about facts and well-considered opinion not FUD. Just my $0.02.

Re: Review: BlackBerry 10 is better, much better, late than never

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Post by manishsharan »

kunai wrote: post #14
manishsharan wrote: post #11

I am not falling for BB again ! In my last iteration of smartphone purchase, I bought a latest-at-the-time Iphone 3GS for my wife and the latest-at-the-time Blackberry Bold. Since then I have watched in envy as my wife could get so much done on her phone than I could on my BB. My BB never did much beyond email and BBM ( I love BBM ) In this iteration, I recently placed an order for Nexus 4 and a Iphone 5. maybe if th…

Did you even read the review? This isn't related AT ALL to the old OS7 Bold or any other Blackberry line, which were awful. BB10 can do much more than an iPhone and be just as productive while providing a rich media experience.

I think it is not the device but the ecosystem that supports the device that is more important. Like a certain CEO once said "Developers Developers Developers .. ". I would be curious to know how successful Blackberry has been in wooing third party developers. What is the ETA for Skype, Netflix, snapchat, and Uber for BB 10 ?

Re: Review: BlackBerry 10 is better, much better, late than never

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Post by scrabble »

kunai wrote: post #40
brown9-2 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I interpret "I have watched in envy as my wife could get so much done on her phone" as regarding how many apps are available for one phone and how few were available for his Blackberry. It's great if the phone at launch has all sorts of modern features, but this same sort of device/feature envy will exist if Blackberry can't attract significant developer attention.

Well, if the incentive is there (I haven't researched much into the SDK yet), I'll develop for BB10. I really see the potential here and how this OS can really make an impact on the mobile landscape. I hope other developers will share the same sentiment after using the phone itself... Really, what isn't to love about it, judging from the reviews? It's a great platform and I'm planning to buy one as soon as it's relea…

How can we know that the big companies will port their apps?

Many of the top apps were missing from the previous BlackBerry OS. What indication is there that they will be coming to BB10?

BlackBerry says they are in talks with Netflix, but they said that about getting an app for BB7, and that never happened.

Re: Review: BlackBerry 10 is better, much better, late than never

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Post by stevenameyer »

brown9-2 wrote: post #34
kunai wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you even read the review? This isn't related AT ALL to the old OS7 Bold or any other Blackberry line, which were awful. BB10 can do much more than an iPhone and be just as productive while providing a rich media experience.

I interpret "I have watched in envy as my wife could get so much done on her phone" as regarding how many apps are available for one phone and how few were available for his Blackberry. It's great if the phone at launch has all sorts of modern features, but this same sort of device/feature envy will exist if Blackberry can't attract significant developer attention.

This. In my opinion BB10 will live or die on third party support. You can have a great OS, but people won't adopt it without a good number of high quality apps.

I haven't looked into development for BB10. But I know that previous versons were horrible to develop for. You wouldn't believe the number of times I've heard BB developers curse over having to have dev build signed by BB servers. Especially during heavier server times, where the servers went down for long periods of times. fixing this alone would do wonders in helping BB10

Re: Review: BlackBerry 10 is better, much better, late than never

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Post by wvenable »

kunai wrote: post #14
manishsharan wrote: post #11

I am not falling for BB again ! In my last iteration of smartphone purchase, I bought a latest-at-the-time Iphone 3GS for my wife and the latest-at-the-time Blackberry Bold. Since then I have watched in envy as my wife could get so much done on her phone than I could on my BB. My BB never did much beyond email and BBM ( I love BBM ) In this iteration, I recently placed an order for Nexus 4 and a Iphone 5. maybe if th…

Did you even read the review? This isn't related AT ALL to the old OS7 Bold or any other Blackberry line, which were awful. BB10 can do much more than an iPhone and be just as productive while providing a rich media experience.

> BB10 can do much more than an iPhone

Really? That's not the impression that I get. It might be able to meet the current features and abilities of iOS and Android but I haven't see anything that indicates it can do "so much more". There doesn't seem to be enough here to justify purchasing a device from a 3rd place manufacturer with brand new software.

Re: Review: BlackBerry 10 is better, much better, late than never

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Post by dmix »

Osiris wrote: post #25

I welcome any competition into the mobile OS market, especially if it brings a refreshing new take on design and user experience. My devices all run Android and while it's usable, I'm not a huge fan of many aspects of the OS. While I don't plan on getting a BB10 device, I am interested to see if or how its innovations cause other OS vendors to adjust their own user experience.

I'm fine with the Android OS, still not a fan of the hardware. Although its gotten better, Android phones are still nowhere near the physical build quality of the iPhone 4 (including the S3 which I'm currently using).

Re: Review: BlackBerry 10 is better, much better, late than never

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Post by varikin »

bambax wrote: post #3

I'm not sure about gestures (can they be done with one hand?) but the unified inbox ("hub") sounds like a fantastic idea. I don't understand why I can't see all messages from all my email accounts in one window, together with voice messages and texts (Tweets may be a little overwhelming, but they can be filtered out). This really sounds great -- although it's probably not hard to replicate on another platform.

The unified inbox reminds me of the unified inbox of the Cisco Cius tablet a couple years ago, though the BB10 version looks much better. The one on the Cius didn't support as many services or have such great hooks between email, calender, etc from in the inbox. Though, the Cius did have the ability to look at a contact and see everything from email, text messages, calender, voice mail, recent calls, etc at once.

Re: Review: BlackBerry 10 is better, much better, late than never

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Post by myko »

manishsharan wrote: post #43
kunai wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you even read the review? This isn't related AT ALL to the old OS7 Bold or any other Blackberry line, which were awful. BB10 can do much more than an iPhone and be just as productive while providing a rich media experience.

I think it is not the device but the ecosystem that supports the device that is more important. Like a certain CEO once said "Developers Developers Developers .. ". I would be curious to know how successful Blackberry has been in wooing third party developers. What is the ETA for Skype, Netflix, snapchat, and Uber for BB 10 ?

Do the Android versions of the above apps failed to work on BB10?

Unless the submission process is extremely arduous I would hope the developers of those apps release their Android versions at the very least on the BB app store.

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