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Modeled on man: Breathable skin for buildings

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Re: Modeled on man: Breathable skin for buildings

#21
The idea is kind of cool, but it seems like it might be a solution in search of a problem. Installing windows that don't open or choosing not to open windows that do is as much a cultural issue as a technical one. People used to air conditioning may not be satisfied with an office that's only almost the temperature they want.

Re: Modeled on man: Breathable skin for buildings

#22
One major obstacle this technology will face-- even in regions where ambient air temperatures are appropriate-- is control. The bimetal strip can only act based on its local temperatures.

By contrast, the amount of heating or cooling a building needs generally is set by the distributed conditions throughout the building. For example, many commercial buildings require cooling in the core throughout the year-- without regard for the insolation or the air temperature at the envelope. So this technology will not, in many cases, eliminate the need for mechanical assist.

Another aspect of the control problem is the wishes of occupants in the perimeter spaces. As described, the incident sunlight, or the interior temperature, are meant to control the porosity of the material. Thus occupants get no say in the amount of sunlight they get, or the amount of air passing through the wall.

Competing technologies allow much more control. For example, "smart glass" can regulate the amount of light entering a space, either in response to occupants, or to a building-level controller. Passive inlet vents can maintain a desired airflow rate, in the face of changes in wind pressure and indoor-outdoor temperature differences (controlling to airflow, rather than to local temperature, is desired for air quality reasons).

Re: Modeled on man: Breathable skin for buildings

#23
The link title's more than a little misleading: the material is supposedly "breathable," "human," and "skin-like". (Adding a hyphen to make it "human-skin-like," which I assume is what was intended, isn't much better). From that description, I was imagining something kind of disgusting, not strips of metal.

Re: Modeled on man: Breathable skin for buildings

#24
My issue with exciting things like this and solar heating is that in most cases we are nowhere near the technological limit of climate control efficiencies that can be achieved with a reasonable amount of effort.

My aunt was selling solar heating in Minnesota. People would be really interested until they found out the first step was doing a really thorough (and somewhat costly) job insulating the house, which provides more energy savings than the solar panels themselves in most cases (it's certainly more cost-effective). They didn't really care about saving energy, they just wanted solar panels as a status symbol.

As long as energy remains subsidized and people don't have to pay for the externalities they create by polluting, eco-friendly innovations like hybrid and plug-in electric cars, solar power, and breathable skins will remain of interest only as status symbols and badges of group identity.

(as an aside, Europe and Japan seem to do a better job of actually giving people financial incentives to waste less, although people should correct me if my view is naïve)

Re: Modeled on man: Breathable skin for buildings

#25
Marketing pro-tip:

  do not *ever* advertise or suggest you are going to 
  use material that is "like human skin".  Its creepy.
Other than that its quite a nice idea. Yes eventually buildings will need to have something like this - looking at the roof line of any major city gives the impression the fan-powered aliens have landed.

Re: Modeled on man: Breathable skin for buildings

#26
I am very glad to learn of the Humans Invent website — I was not aware of it. I love to read about innovation, science and the like. It reminds me that in the midst of many challenges in the world there is great work going on that could address some very important issues.

Long live human ingenuity!

Re: Modeled on man: Breathable skin for buildings

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One major obstacle this technology will face-- even in regions where ambient air temperatures are appropriate-- is control. The bimetal strip can only act based on its local temperatures. By contrast, the amount of heating or cooling a building needs generally is set by the distributed conditions throughout the building. For example, many commercial buildings require cooling in the core throughout the year-- without…

Passive cooling is difficult because of the latent heat produced by human occupants. Our breath and sweat are moist and air-conditioning systems remove that moisture as well as lowering the air temperature. Lower the air temperature without removing the humidity and condensation can become a problem.

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Not in a well designed house, actually. I lived in Cuba, and in all the older houses it was quite cool during the day, if the windows were open. I have no idea how they did it. This was mostly in coastal areas, so there was much wind. But it even worked in inland areas. The windows did not let in much light. There was usually no air conditioning, and inside was generally much cooler than outside. In any modern buildi…

Sorry, but this sounds a little like nostalgia colored recollection. There's nothing magical about old architecture. Yes, some designs will stay cooler than others, but you're not getting anywhere close to an air-conditioned home in a Florida summer using old designs (barring absurdities like stone castles). Florida is similar to Cuba. If you own a home located close to the beach, you're in good shape. You can leave…

In tropical climates such as Cuba's thermal capacitance via masonry is a feature of Colonial architecture (and not one typically available to Florida's stick framed bungalows). Another feature of traditional architecture is high ceilings to take advantage of convection - something not uncommon to Florida's bungalows from the early 20th century.

Re: Modeled on man: Breathable skin for buildings

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not in a well designed house, actually. I lived in Cuba, and in all the older houses it was quite cool during the day, if the windows were open. I have no idea how they did it. This was mostly in coastal areas, so there was much wind. But it even worked in inland areas. The windows did not let in much light. There was usually no air conditioning, and inside was generally much cooler than outside. In any modern buildi…

Were the walls solid concrete?

I think so, but I can't be sure.

Re: Modeled on man: Breathable skin for buildings

#30
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not in a well designed house, actually. I lived in Cuba, and in all the older houses it was quite cool during the day, if the windows were open. I have no idea how they did it. This was mostly in coastal areas, so there was much wind. But it even worked in inland areas. The windows did not let in much light. There was usually no air conditioning, and inside was generally much cooler than outside. In any modern buildi…

Sorry, but this sounds a little like nostalgia colored recollection. There's nothing magical about old architecture. Yes, some designs will stay cooler than others, but you're not getting anywhere close to an air-conditioned home in a Florida summer using old designs (barring absurdities like stone castles). Florida is similar to Cuba. If you own a home located close to the beach, you're in good shape. You can leave…

This was 5 years ago and one year ago, so it's not pre-revolutionary nostalgia. I might be wrong on how well it worked inland, but I remember feeling cool no matter which city I traveled to.

This was October to May, so like I said, the system may break down in summer. It was still warm through those months compared to what I know in Canada, but I know summer is warmer still.

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