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Re: Speaking up

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> it’s about finding female speakers who have enough of a thick skin to want to stand up infront of an audience of twitter-trigger-happy males and public speak

Was this awful incident a one off or is attacking female speakers at tech conferences a thing? I've not noticed it until now. I don't get it, why would you? To what end?

Re: Speaking up

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So apparently, she is a web designer (or a web design agency owner), but it takes an effort to find a link to an actual portfolio. There is the Resources page but it's full of her own photos from every angle. The About page is too full of important aspects of her professional background including how she takes her coffee (apparently 3rd most frequently asked question). I understand that she is the brand and she's pro…

Everyone is too polite or concerned with HN decorum to say so but you're a fucking asshole.

I regret that I can only up vote once.

Re: Speaking up

#54

Please, tell me, how would comments look if someone did the same thing, but for the guy? The sight of a bunch of guys rushing to fight sexism (often without even understanding what sexism is) and solve women's issues for them is amusing. This is not to say, that there are no problems. But the biggest problem I see is a knee-jerk reaction to anything involving gender or race. Sometimes assholes are just assholes and c…

> Please, tell me, how would comments look if someone did the same thing, but for the guy?

HN is getting better at being less aggressive and at being more constructive with criticism.

Perhaps you can find an example where a male dev had pictures of his face, and pictures of another man's penis, posted to a website with his name and email address. And, when you find it, HN will be supportive of that man and will condemn the anon attacker.

Re: Speaking up

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post #51

> it’s about finding female speakers who have enough of a thick skin to want to stand up infront of an audience of twitter-trigger-happy males and public speak Was this awful incident a one off or is attacking female speakers at tech conferences a thing ? I've not noticed it until now. I don't get it, why would you? To what end?

Unfortunately, it's a thing: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_incidents

Re: Speaking up

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Are there any high profile women in this industry who haven't been treated like shit in some way such as this? What a nasty bunch of people we are. Are we (developers) the douchey 80s guy of the 21st century?

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Just because you've never seen it doesn't mean it never happens. Sexism at work requires certain group dynamics to flourish and I'm pretty sure your female boss can identify those and make sure they never come to pass.

Also... why do you refer to men as men and woman as girls?

Re: Speaking up

#57
When I speak at conferences, it's not unusual for me to receive heckles. It's part of a thing where a lot of people who know me know that I'm pretty good with banter and will usually respond with a put down or your mum joke in good nature. It's mainly because I grew into conference speaking in a hostile conference environment, and also I've done a bit of stand-up now and again so you get used to it.

The problem with all of this that I've realised is that other people in the audience will see me being heckled and will think it's perfectly fine to heckle speakers, and that other people will see me being heckled and might be discouraged from speaking. It's got me thinking quite a bit about this. Any ideas what I should do about it?

Re: Speaking up

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Just because you've never seen it doesn't mean it never happens. Sexism at work requires certain group dynamics to flourish and I'm pretty sure your female boss can identify those and make sure they never come to pass. Also... why do you refer to men as men and woman as girls?

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Re: Speaking up

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post #49
post #2

Are there any high profile women in this industry who haven't been treated like shit in some way such as this? What a nasty bunch of people we are. Are we (developers) the douchey 80s guy of the 21st century?

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"NO, WE ARE NOT" followed by a screed that goes to prove you are _exactly_ that. Couldn't have been more beautifully demonstrated.

Re: Speaking up

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post #51

> it’s about finding female speakers who have enough of a thick skin to want to stand up infront of an audience of twitter-trigger-happy males and public speak Was this awful incident a one off or is attacking female speakers at tech conferences a thing ? I've not noticed it until now. I don't get it, why would you? To what end?

It's a thing. It makes front page on HN once a month or so which implies that it happens more than that.

The motives behind it seem to span a spectrum from straight sexism through to weird stalkerness.

As someone else wrote, sunlight is probably the best way to try and reduce the problem.

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