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Alexander The Great's Battle at the River Jhelum

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Re: Alexander The Great's Battle at the River Jhelum

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These stories make me hope that some code-savvy historians will one day create a visualization of famous battles using d3.js or something similar to what went into Snow Fall.

It'd be a fascinating way to teach history, and it'll work perfectly on tablets.

Re: Alexander The Great's Battle at the River Jhelum

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> 50,000 Infantry

How verifiable are these numbers? This seems like an awfully large army, given the context.

To put this in some perspective, that's about the size of the army Hannibal entered Gaul with in the second punic war [1].

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Punic_War

Re: Alexander The Great's Battle at the River Jhelum

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post #12

> 50,000 Infantry How verifiable are these numbers? This seems like an awfully large army, given the context. To put this in some perspective, that's about the size of the army Hannibal entered Gaul with in the second punic war [1]. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Punic_War

Since we are now in the business of citing wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Hydaspes

Remember, this was india and gathering a large, untrained army was probably not that hard (the number of casualties speak for themselves)

Re: Alexander The Great's Battle at the River Jhelum

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post #12

> 50,000 Infantry How verifiable are these numbers? This seems like an awfully large army, given the context. To put this in some perspective, that's about the size of the army Hannibal entered Gaul with in the second punic war [1]. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Punic_War

Since we are now in the business of citing wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Hydaspes Remember, this was india and gathering a large, untrained army was probably not that hard (the number of casualties speak for themselves)

> Since we are now in the business of citing wikipedia

The snark is not constructive.

Re: Alexander The Great's Battle at the River Jhelum

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post #12

> 50,000 Infantry How verifiable are these numbers? This seems like an awfully large army, given the context. To put this in some perspective, that's about the size of the army Hannibal entered Gaul with in the second punic war [1]. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Punic_War

That's a reasonable army for the time period. I don't know how historians make their estimates but often these are just estimates. Many armies in the time period have 30-50-80K men. In Medieval times getting an army of 20K was a huge deal, most armies were 10K.

Different economics, populations, fighting styles, time periods. They probably estimate army size by time period sometimes.

Re: Alexander The Great's Battle at the River Jhelum

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It's fiction, but I recommend "The Virtues of War" by Steven Pressfield. It's a novel (based on history, but certainly dramatized) about Alexander's march to the East.

Pressfield's books are great. I'd additionally recommend following up the Virtues of War with The Afghan Campaign -- which is also about Alexander, but focused entirely on the time he spent in Afghanistan. There are some astounding parallels to today. Then, when you're done, Gates of Fire is a classic (Pressfield's novel on the Battle of Thermopylae). Tides of War is on the Peloponnesian War that followed.

A war like no other is also a classic on the Peloponnesian War; likewise surprsingly relevant to present day politics and wars.

Re: Alexander The Great's Battle at the River Jhelum

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post #11

These stories make me hope that some code-savvy historians will one day create a visualization of famous battles using d3.js or something similar to what went into Snow Fall . It'd be a fascinating way to teach history, and it'll work perfectly on tablets.

Hard to search for snow fall visualization. Do you have a link?

Also these battles were visualized a million times by the Total War series. Although far from realistically with questionable educational potential. But that's largely a limitation of computer speeds. Still, more interesting than looking at charts.

Re: Alexander The Great's Battle at the River Jhelum

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post #11

These stories make me hope that some code-savvy historians will one day create a visualization of famous battles using d3.js or something similar to what went into Snow Fall . It'd be a fascinating way to teach history, and it'll work perfectly on tablets.

I've seen that on some History channel programs recently. Had to look twice to make sure it was computer animated, not a filmed scene. Can't remember the exact program series though.

Re: Alexander The Great's Battle at the River Jhelum

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post #11

These stories make me hope that some code-savvy historians will one day create a visualization of famous battles using d3.js or something similar to what went into Snow Fall . It'd be a fascinating way to teach history, and it'll work perfectly on tablets.

I've seen that on some History channel programs recently. Had to look twice to make sure it was computer animated, not a filmed scene. Can't remember the exact program series though.

You mean Decisive Battles http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMZHovydSFQ ? I think he's talking about charts, d3.js. The show is made with a real time video game from 2002/4.

Re: Alexander The Great's Battle at the River Jhelum

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> 50,000 Infantry How verifiable are these numbers? This seems like an awfully large army, given the context. To put this in some perspective, that's about the size of the army Hannibal entered Gaul with in the second punic war [1]. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Punic_War

Not at all verifiable, at the very least they were rounded up, at worst they are cited from some hagiography (the source of much history at the time) and massively inflated. The citation on the Wikipedia page with such authority is from a massive history of the entire world in 40 volumes based on secondary sources by diodorus 300 years later, so no, it's not likely to be accurate or useful in comparisons with other times. History as a discipline based on verified facts is a relatively modern invention.
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