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Police crack down on Silk Road following first drug dealer conviction

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Re: Police crack down on Silk Road following first drug dealer conviction

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those drugs still have to be shipped via a real postal system. Speculative scifi suggests that I will have a machine in my house that will produce drugs on the fly, with chemical reactions that are controlled by software.

So the drugs are 3d-printed? Maybe in pill form?

That implies one of the following:

1) The printer is capable of "printing" complex compounds using individual atoms

2) The printer is pre-loaded with cocaine, LSD, MDMA...

My point being not everything can be printed...

Re: Police crack down on Silk Road following first drug dealer conviction

#13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the drugs are 3d-printed? Maybe in pill form?

That implies one of the following: 1) The printer is capable of "printing" complex compounds using individual atoms 2) The printer is pre-loaded with cocaine, LSD, MDMA... My point being not everything can be printed...

There's a concept floating around for something called a 'chemputer' that would effectively be a 3D printer for chemistry: http://www.kurzweilai.net/the-chemputer-that-could-print-out...

Re: Police crack down on Silk Road following first drug dealer conviction

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I'd like some clarification on Tor, please. Namely, how can the silkroad's site operate without the owners being detected? AFAIK Tor has its own DNS with .onion, but don't those resolve to regular IPs? And if police have a normal everyday IP, can't they just imprison the site's owners directly?

Re: Police crack down on Silk Road following first drug dealer conviction

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Talk about bad press for Bitcoin. Silk Road is probably the number one reason regular Joe's would ever hear them mentioned.

To be realistic though, bitcoin is mostly used for gambling and drugs. Depending on your philosophy, the freedom it enables is far more important than what it's used for.

Re: Police crack down on Silk Road following first drug dealer conviction

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I'd like some clarification on Tor, please. Namely, how can the silkroad's site operate without the owners being detected? AFAIK Tor has its own DNS with .onion, but don't those resolve to regular IPs? And if police have a normal everyday IP, can't they just imprison the site's owners directly?

https://www.torproject.org/docs/hidden-services.html.en

tl;dr hidden services are anonymous

Re: Police crack down on Silk Road following first drug dealer conviction

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I never know from stories like this if law enforcement are hopelessly clueless or if they do know what they're doing but just not releasing details. While the tech is probably secure it's easy for people to make mistakes that leak information; and while NSA or GCHQ probably find it easy to get that information they have no interest in doing so. So, do police agencies have people who know enough about the mistakes peo…

"So, do police agencies have people who know enough about the mistakes people make with Tor and Bitcoin?"

I met a researcher who did some work on attacking Tor, the results of which were given to law enforcement agencies. He was a bit light on details, but the basic idea of his approach was this:

1. You narrow down the geographic location of your target. Not hard in the case of the Silk Road, since there is a physical package being shipped.

2. You connect to your target's system, and modulate the latency of packets that you send. This is a covert channel.

3. You have a van rolling around the geographic region you believe the target to be in, and listen on wifi frequencies. When the covert channel is detected, you home in until you have located the target computer.

Obviously you can defend against this sort of attack by just not using wifi, although similar attacks at the ISP level are possible. Cover traffic helps with this, assuming the covert channel has low tolerance to noise (this may not be true; again, few details were given). It is also wise to avoid connecting from your house, if possible, and to use a public location where you can quickly shut down your laptop when you see the cops.

Or, you know, you could not sell large quantities of illegal drugs over the Internet, since it is basically asking for trouble.

Re: Police crack down on Silk Road following first drug dealer conviction

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Talk about bad press for Bitcoin. Silk Road is probably the number one reason regular Joe's would ever hear them mentioned.

The only "good press" Bitcoin could get is if a major government started accepting it for tax payments, which is less likely than Chris Dodd being investigated for bribery.

Re: Police crack down on Silk Road following first drug dealer conviction

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post #10

I never know from stories like this if law enforcement are hopelessly clueless or if they do know what they're doing but just not releasing details. While the tech is probably secure it's easy for people to make mistakes that leak information; and while NSA or GCHQ probably find it easy to get that information they have no interest in doing so. So, do police agencies have people who know enough about the mistakes peo…

Prosecutions are public in many countries, so we can use that as a metric. If they knew what they were doing I imagine we'd see dozens or hundreds of Silk Road-related prosecutions. Or maybe Silk Road is mostly used by people who are too small-time for the police to bother with.

The FBI has an internal "manual" on Bitcoin that leaked a while back and they certainly have the skill to use various pre-existing open source tools to link addresses with names. In this case I wouldn't be surprised if Australian customs did most of the work though.

Re: Police crack down on Silk Road following first drug dealer conviction

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I'd like some clarification on Tor, please. Namely, how can the silkroad's site operate without the owners being detected? AFAIK Tor has its own DNS with .onion, but don't those resolve to regular IPs? And if police have a normal everyday IP, can't they just imprison the site's owners directly?

https://www.torproject.org/docs/hidden-services.html.en tl;dr hidden services are anonymous

tl;dr hidden services are the digital implementation of dead-drop as a transmission protocol.

Which is actually pretty neat.

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