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DC-area schools consider copyright policy that takes ownership of students’ work

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Re: DC-area schools consider copyright policy that takes ownership of students’ work

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If a school tells you that you can't do what's right by your child because "it's the law," ask for the citation of the law. If it's really a law, there is a citation, and the law can be looked up. In the United States, under its Anglo-American system of law, the default assumption is individual liberty (and parents rather than schools acting in the interests of minor children), so make sure to check the specific la…

Dan, to the contrary, the parents I have advised in this manner for two decades report good results in getting school districts to back away from illegal restrictions on family decisions once the parents show that they know how to ask about the law. Simply asking for a citation when a government official tells you what to do is enormously helpful. (It may be especially helpful here in Minnesota, where for more than t…

> when told she couldn't get what her children needed, she would say, "Who do I talk to to get an exception?" She understood very well that schools are bureaucratic organizations, and that all bureaucratic organizations have some higher bureaucrat who can make exceptions to rules.

That's excellent advice, and it's something I quite often. "I don't know your system, and so I don't know who to ask or what questions to ask. What do you suggest?" turns unhelpful conversations into productive discussion.

In the UK there has been some problem with photographing your children at school events. Schools claim compliance with a variety of laws, but the reality is they just don't want people taking photographs.

(http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2012/jun/23/photos-ch...)

(http://dpnow.com/7640.html)

> But only recently news emerged of a parent who, in 2007, was threatened with arrest by police as he arrived at his daughter's school if he proceeded to break the school's ban on photography at a nativity play. The same school in Leicestershire still has the ban in place, although photographs can be taken after the performance is completed.

This follows a weird restriction on photography in public in general in the UK. Youtube has many videos of people being told by police to stop taking photographs in public. This has been such a problem that one police service had to issue updated guidance.

(http://www.met.police.uk/about/photography.htm)

Re: DC-area schools consider copyright policy that takes ownership of students’ work

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This is a nice way to get kids used to the future of copyright and the future of society at large. You don't own your shelter, your media, your electronics devices. Even something that comes from you doesn't belong to you since you owe so much to the roof over your head and the guidance of your teachers.

-A HN Ghost.

Re: DC-area schools consider copyright policy that takes ownership of students’ work

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Whenever I see something like this, I used to furiously bang away at the keyboard and type a lengthy, long rant, but now I don't even bother.

It's become all too commonplace that I just hang my head in shame and grow depressed to see my fellow human brothers and sisters become captives of selfishness and corruption.

Re: DC-area schools consider copyright policy that takes ownership of students’ work

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post #9

When my son was an undergraduate at UC Berkeley he used to put a copyright notice on all his homework because the University has a similar policy. The policy was legal because students has to agree in order to gain admission. The Prince Georges policy has no legal standing because first graders cant enter into contracts. Apparently nobody contacted a minimally competent lawyer.

Not a Cal student, but Cal & the UC have a number of pages about copyright, including: http://ipira.berkeley.edu/uc-copyright-policy

IV C. Student Work

A student work is a work produced by a registered student without the use of University funds (other than Student Financial Aid), that is produced outside any University employment, and is not a sponsored, contracted facilities, or commissioned work.

Ownership of copyrights to student works shall reside with the originator.

and a terser version at: http://copyright.universityofcalifornia.edu/systemwide/owner...

Note also that schools using anti-plagiarism services like TurnItIn might want at least an implied license to copy putative student works so they could submit a copy of the work to the service.

Re: DC-area schools consider copyright policy that takes ownership of students’ work

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Why would you want to own the IP for a bunch of crappy school projects?

Some universities have plagiarism detection systems and to tell if you're copying from your buddy who took the course last year they store all submitted work. Often these systems are outsourced to companies like 'turnitin' [1] which can also compare work between universities. Work is stored forever, and if anyone submits something similar to your work, professors get to see both side by side for comparison. In order…

Why do they need the copyright to keep this information? Wouldn't a license or something like fair-use be better than ownership?

Re: DC-area schools consider copyright policy that takes ownership of students’ work

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A vanity publisher runs a poetry "competition"; they award a first, second, and third prize. They then publish all entries in a book, and people buy the book too see their poem in "print". Schools now do something similar, but without the competition.

I see, you mean sell the kids own work back to the parents?

"Little Johnny was in a book! Look, see! He was so good they published it! Isn't that amazing? I'll order you a copy."

Slightly sleazy, but clever business plan.

Re: DC-area schools consider copyright policy that takes ownership of students’ work

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post #26

What possible reason could there be for this, that, in any way, serves the public? Don't these schools have bigger problems than stealing people's work? It seems even having this as a discussion is a waste of public funds.

This is already pretty common at the college-level.

That doesn't make it right.

Re: DC-area schools consider copyright policy that takes ownership of students’ work

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Surely this can't be legal under existing copyright law. From the article, "The District holds common law copyright, at a minimum, to all relevant intellectual property its city and school employees create, a spokeswoman said." I take it that the school district's lawyer was not consulted before that statement was made, or else the lawyer was a doofus about copyright law. There isn't any "common law copyright," in th…

PG County is Maryland, not DC. It's the county that wraps around the eastern side of the District, and includes the University of Maryland. The rules of the District don't apply to what they're trying to do. I think the author mentioned them (and those of Montgomery County, PG's far wealthier and higher performing neighbor) to show that the idea wouldn't be possible in those school districts. Notably, PG County has a…

Notably, PG County has [..] a relatively low-income population

Really? According to wiki, the median household income is over $71,000 and 38% of households earned over $100,000. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Georges_County,_Maryland...

edit: okay, I suppose PG county is lower income than Montgomery, Arlington, Fairfax, and Loudoun counties, but the population is certainly not "low income" even for a high-cost-of-living region.

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