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AT&T Will Force Your Data Plan For Your Unlocked Out-of-Contract "Smart" Phone

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Surely that is illegal? How can you be signed up to a contract you don't agree to?

By signing a contract that says they can do this?

They didn't sign or agree to anything. Or at least so it says in the article. Unless you mean they signed an agreement that they agreed to literally any terms - which would be an unenforcable contract.

Your use of the question mark is unnecessary and smacks of snark. Please don't do that.

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post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AT&T is a company providing a service for a price. They are not scum. I've used AT&T for many years. I'm not always delighted with every policy - the now changed policy of refusing to unlock out of contract iPhones was a particular bone. However I have almost always been satisfied with the service and have had no problem contacting them to correct billing issues. Why people feel entitled to services at the price they…

> the now changed policy of refusing to unlock out of contract iPhones was a particular bone > Telecom is a competitive market. Can you appreciate the dissonance between these two statements?

That AT&T changed their policy due to competitive pressures? Not very dissonant.

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post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By signing a contract that says they can do this?

They didn't sign or agree to anything. Or at least so it says in the article. Unless you mean they signed an agreement that they agreed to literally any terms - which would be an unenforcable contract. Your use of the question mark is unnecessary and smacks of snark. Please don't do that.

I assume the GP meant that the clause was in the original contract the author signed when getting the sim-card he's currently using. That contract might have a clause to the effect that smartphone usage with that SIM costs extra.

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Regarding getting a working "dumb" phone, you should get an import if you don't find them in the US. You said you travel a lot, right? There are low-end phone models made for developing countries and such. Nokia has lots of 1xxx series phones that only offer the very basics. Here in the UK, I had no trouble finding a refurbished Nokia 1100 for 17 pounds on Amazon, while used ones go for 11. Apparently, this particular model has been discontinued, but wikipedia has a whole list of all Nokia models, some still in production. And if you still want colour screens, there's the 2xxx series.

Re: AT&T Will Force Your Data Plan For Your Unlocked Out-of-Contract "Smart" Phone

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I've had this happen to me. I agree it's presumptuous and toeing the line but just so you know I've always been able call them and have the data plan turned off for good on that line. One of the arguments I make with them is that if I have kids on my family plan who go off to school and pop their feature phone SIM card into their friends smartphone, I can't be expected to deal with that headache - and if AT&T isn't g…

I spent about 60 minutes on the phone with them today and they didn't back down (they'll take it off if I use a dumb phone, but they'll still charge me for this month). I'll try your line of thought. Thanks.

Have you red your original contract? Is this something covered in it?

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It's not clear if he's referring to a prepaid plan here. Prepaid definitely is the safest bet - essentially no surprises, and little ability for them to rip you off. I use prepaid AT&T (T-Mobile seems to have less coverage where I go) when I'm in the States, and the data is optional. On prepaid it used to be that the available/required plans depended on the IMEI used to activate the SIM. So if you bring a crapphone a…

I use the AT&T prepaid service as well (GoPhone) on a factory unlocked smartphone; I don't use the data, but have the ability to turn it on if I need to. As it turns out, one can just get a GoPhone sim at an AT&T store and get it activated then and there (no need to take a dumbphone or your smartphone there at all). The sim costs 99 cents. I have been using this sim for the past 6 months.

The last time I checked, you couldn't use a GoPhone SIM in an iPhone, period (though this could have easily changed, especially now that T-Mobile is deep into their refarm). Easily the #1 complaint of international iPhone users visiting the US.

Re: AT&T Will Force Your Data Plan For Your Unlocked Out-of-Contract "Smart" Phone

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post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AT&T is a company providing a service for a price. They are not scum. I've used AT&T for many years. I'm not always delighted with every policy - the now changed policy of refusing to unlock out of contract iPhones was a particular bone. However I have almost always been satisfied with the service and have had no problem contacting them to correct billing issues. Why people feel entitled to services at the price they…

> Why people feel entitled to services at the price they choose is beyond me. Telecom is a competitive market. Because it isn't a competitive market. Wireless telecoms have been granted licenses to spectrum by the FCC so they can run their businesses. There's a limited amount of spectrum and it's hard for new companies to get any of it. The wireless telecoms industry is anything but competitive.

There are at least 3 major nationwide providers competing against each other on service and price. There are also many secondary local providers and providers renting networks from the national providers.

How is that not competitive?

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post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AT&T is a company providing a service for a price. They are not scum. I've used AT&T for many years. I'm not always delighted with every policy - the now changed policy of refusing to unlock out of contract iPhones was a particular bone. However I have almost always been satisfied with the service and have had no problem contacting them to correct billing issues. Why people feel entitled to services at the price they…

>Why people feel entitled to services at the price they choose is beyond me Did you read the article? ATT detected he had a smartphone and upgraded his plan to include data, forcibly. That's like GM saying, oh we've detected your car comes with OnStar and are activating the OnStar plan. If you don't like it, you're more than free to sell your car.

Except you can switch to a different provider. You are not forced to do anything. If AT&T wants to have this requirement, that's their choice, just as it's your choice to use T-Mobile, Verizon, or Sprint.

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post #81
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AT&T is a company providing a service for a price. They are not scum. I've used AT&T for many years. I'm not always delighted with every policy - the now changed policy of refusing to unlock out of contract iPhones was a particular bone. However I have almost always been satisfied with the service and have had no problem contacting them to correct billing issues. Why people feel entitled to services at the price they…

Its not competitive when everyone is locked in 2 year contacts. Want a true competitive market, get rid of contacts and force people to buy their phones.

There are thousands of people each day signing up for NEW 2 year contracts. The telcos compete for those new and renewing customers.
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