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That Daily Shower Can Be a Killer

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Re: That Daily Shower Can Be a Killer

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Have you had acupuncture and/or chiropractor? They at minimum can give relief.

Stooge: "Thanks 'Dr' that feels slightly better." Chiropractor: "Great! Now let's just get you scheduled for three appointments a week for the rest of your life."

Yes, you have to deal with the underlying problems - if there are any that can be dealt with, to get your alignment back in place, etc..

Re: That Daily Shower Can Be a Killer

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I was looking at fatalities per miles traveled (given that is the measure of how much we use cars). It seems the trend line was dropping pretty nicely before the 70's, so I am not sure how much all the safety requirements have actually changed things. Seat belts and air bags might account for the delta from the 70's, but I am not sure it isn't the same reasons we see a reduction from the 30s. Looking at what happened…

> "I am not sure how much all the safety requirements have actually changed things" Well, absent digging into details that neither of us have, that's going to come down to a philosophical position: do you think that trends will continue indefinitely in the absence of any additional efforts to sustain them? > "You must be watching some other debate, I consider new legislation being introduced "what to do"." I'm watchi…

This thread is how I wish all discussions were on this site. Disagreement that is just polite enough, tons of facts on both sides, both sides with reasonable opinions founded in reality. Thanks roc and protomyth.

Re: That Daily Shower Can Be a Killer

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I imagine, also, that if one intends to kill oneself, having a gun or not is not a serious impediment to suicide.

Research suggests that more guns = more suicides. "The preponderance of current evidence indicates that gun availability is a risk factor for youth suicide in the United States. The evidence that gun availability increases the suicide rates of adults is credible, but is currently less compelling." http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-owne...

I can't read the study, but lots of cultures in the US attach stigma to suicide(weakness) and to gun accidents(stupidity). Families in these cultures sometimes feel that they share the blame for not properly securing the firearm or not effectively mitigating the suicidal ideations of a depressed family member.

Consider a family with a youth who accidentally shot themselves. Rather than state that it was an accident, the family tells authorities that it was a "suicide".

Consider a family with an adult that chooses to commit suicide. Rather than state that it was a suicide, the family tells the authorities that it was an "accident".

Re: That Daily Shower Can Be a Killer

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The thing is, it's not even an inaccuracy. He's entirely correct (statistically speaking). He's describing the concept of Expected Value* without explicitly using the term. The only thing he could be said to "wrong" about is the idea that a person can die more than once, but everybody understands that that's not actually true. It certainly doesn't "ruin the article" like this poor fellow seems to think. * http://en.w…

The other key thing is that the risk he mentioned was not specifically of dying, but of either death or being crippled. Both of those are very frightening prospects, and he simplifies it as "dying five times" when he does the calculation.

Expected value gives you the "If I look at 5000 shower-takings with a 1/1000 probability of a shower-taking resulting in death, I expect to see 5 deaths on average". Of course when applying it to a single lifetime, the correct thing to consider is "If I take showers until I have taken 5000 showers or died, what is the expected number of shower-deaths I will incur", which is .9972.

Re: That Daily Shower Can Be a Killer

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"They" in this instance was one Joseph Stalin.

Stalin worked at TX/RX?

>>>Stalin worked at TX/RX?

You have conflated the two uses of the word "they" in the gpp. And you are maddeningly close to having your pedantry card revoked pending discovery that you are in fact a native english speaker: so consider yourself on notice, [as they say](they refers to Steven Coldbear). Let's begin.

>>>As they say: Quantity has a quality all its own.

The word "they" occurred twice in the gpp. The first time was in reference to "The guys at NASA who came to TX/RX". The second occurrence of the word "they" occurred in the phrase "As they say" which is an idiom, or a turn of phrase [as they say](they refers to "people who use idioms"). Therefore it clearly was not referring to the only other use of the word "they".

A native english speaker would know this...but maybe you aren't a native english speaker! Watch your posts friend, maybe spice them up with some "ethnic" flair. Also, do not get into a land war in Asia, [as they say](they refers to the writers of The Princess Bride, as they wish).

Re: That Daily Shower Can Be a Killer

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post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Research suggests that more guns = more suicides. "The preponderance of current evidence indicates that gun availability is a risk factor for youth suicide in the United States. The evidence that gun availability increases the suicide rates of adults is credible, but is currently less compelling." http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-owne...

I can't read the study, but lots of cultures in the US attach stigma to suicide(weakness) and to gun accidents(stupidity). Families in these cultures sometimes feel that they share the blame for not properly securing the firearm or not effectively mitigating the suicidal ideations of a depressed family member. Consider a family with a youth who accidentally shot themselves. Rather than state that it was an accident,…

Suicides misreported as accidents; accidents misreported as suicides. If both happen equally often, they'll cancel each other out.

Is there a good reason to believe that one of these effects is stronger than the other?

Re: That Daily Shower Can Be a Killer

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post #246

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I can't read the study, but lots of cultures in the US attach stigma to suicide(weakness) and to gun accidents(stupidity). Families in these cultures sometimes feel that they share the blame for not properly securing the firearm or not effectively mitigating the suicidal ideations of a depressed family member. Consider a family with a youth who accidentally shot themselves. Rather than state that it was an accident,…

Suicides misreported as accidents; accidents misreported as suicides. If both happen equally often, they'll cancel each other out. Is there a good reason to believe that one of these effects is stronger than the other?

>>>Is there a good reason to believe that one of these effects is stronger than the other?

That's a great statistical question! If the data skew was proportionally equal in both directions, the two skews would cancel each other out, right?

Unfortunately, we don't know if the data skews towards accidents, or skews towards suicides, or skews towards them both equally. Here is the snarky one-liner answer to your question:

>>>Is there a good reason to believe that one of these effects is not stronger than the other?

Re: That Daily Shower Can Be a Killer

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post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was looking at fatalities per miles traveled (given that is the measure of how much we use cars). It seems the trend line was dropping pretty nicely before the 70's, so I am not sure how much all the safety requirements have actually changed things. Seat belts and air bags might account for the delta from the 70's, but I am not sure it isn't the same reasons we see a reduction from the 30s. Looking at what happened…

> "I am not sure how much all the safety requirements have actually changed things" Well, absent digging into details that neither of us have, that's going to come down to a philosophical position: do you think that trends will continue indefinitely in the absence of any additional efforts to sustain them? > "You must be watching some other debate, I consider new legislation being introduced "what to do"." I'm watchi…

sorry for the late response

> Well, absent digging into details that neither of us have, that's going to come down to a philosophical position: do you think that trends will continue indefinitely in the absence of any additional efforts to sustain them?

I would expect continued downward trend, but it cannot go down indefinitely (limit on flukes). I expect a upswing in the first couple of years of automated vehicles just because new realities tend to make for bad times (see the 1930's) then another sharp downward trend.

> I'm watching the debate where practical political reality says every legislative proposal, other than "study the problem", is trivially DOA due the lobbying power of the NRA and Congress' makeup and existing obstructionist strategy.

Just as I hope the EFF and ACLU will be obstructionist in defending some of the other amendments. The NRA is not powerful by itself. It is powerful because of the number of members. I dearly wish we had an NRA for the 5th amendment, but it seems we are getting beat there very badly. I would say the Senate has been more obstructionist due to their failure at passing a budget. They should remember which house is supposed to be preeminent in that regard.

Re: That Daily Shower Can Be a Killer

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My mom, a registered nurse, performed acupuncture on my dad for pain relief for a while when I was younger. It seemed to work fine.

Sugar pills can seem to work as well. Hell, dancing around while shaking a bag full of broken glass, pretty rocks, and bottle caps while chanting the names of you ancestors can seem to work fine.

If the placebo effect is stimulated, then its stimulated. Why knock the stimulant?
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