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Why We Still Believe in Working Remotely

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Re: Why We Still Believe in Working Remotely

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I currently work at home 3-4 days a week with the others being in the office, usually for meetings and collaborating on things.

The office is an open floor plan with very poor noise reduction. When not in meetings in that environment, it is hard to get work done even with headphones. Visual and audio distractions persist. That said, there are times where getting together is helpful.

When contacted by companies, I ask about telecommuting. Many play the "it is up to you and your manager once you are established" game. Result - thanks but no thanks.

Time spent in the car/traffic is productivity lost.

Re: Why We Still Believe in Working Remotely

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In general I agree that remote working has lot of advantages. Especially if you are a programmer you get the peace and quietness you need to get into the flow, no discussion here. I wrote my best code when I was alone with me and my music.

But things are different if you want to build the next big thing with cofounders and there I experienced three big disadvantages:

1. All big (and finally successful) ideas and ventures were born by sitting together, day for day. By being forced to stay together in one environment. And we haven't born those great ideas when we had meetings about our products or were specifying some API, no, it was always when we were jabbering around doing silly things. You won't get breaking ideas on Skype or Google Hangout, believe me. Maybe a group of people needs sometimes a kind of antogonist or some constraints to get even more creative and if it's just some "we have to share our workday together."

2. Just working alone and from time to time a face2face meeting won't establish a relationship which you definitely need to overcome conflict situations. You can't build real relationships at some artificial situations like meetings or team off-sites while usually working all the time alone. Once you have a severe conflict and you have missed to build a relationship before odds are small that you get things working again (or even a normal conversation). A lot of people are the type "forever gone", leaving the non finished code base untouched forever.

3. You have to be positive and think that everybody will contribute in the same manner and quantity as you but some are not able to do this because they are heavy procrastinators when left alone or just not persons of integrity. If you have somebody who is ambitious and is in control of his time and energy, great! Jackpot! But the probability that you end up with a procrastinator, somebody who never finishes something or somebody who quickly looses motivation (or is just depressive) is not so low as you might think and you hear crap and other excuses every update meeting like 'oh I couldn't do this because I had to reinstall osx and xcode blabla and the gem sucks anyway' or whatever. Some freelancers invoice the same time many times to many clients, just remember this guy recently outsourcing his work to some people in China. You never know who you work with and what the person is really doing if you do not know them too well. I know that freelancer could also do this shit onsite (you cannot watch their screen 24/7 and check if it's really your source they are working on) but being together in one office lets the person focus more on your work and your environment and they are not distracted by other potential projects or ideas. And integrity/work morality increase.

So, it's hard to say if remote work is good or bad. But to sum up, I feel that when working as freelancer for a client then try to do this remotely. As a dev I would try this, as a client of course not. But if you want to start something great with friends or just met new cofounders you have to be together for some time.

Re: Why We Still Believe in Working Remotely

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post #23

In general I agree that remote working has lot of advantages. Especially if you are a programmer you get the peace and quietness you need to get into the flow, no discussion here. I wrote my best code when I was alone with me and my music. But things are different if you want to build the next big thing with cofounders and there I experienced three big disadvantages: 1. All big (and finally successful) ideas and vent…

(Author, here) Regarding #1 and #2, I have to say that one of the most surprising things about Google Hangouts is that they've really make it easy to... hang out! It's pretty standard on Fridays (or during the week) to kick back for an hour or two and just talk in the hangout. A lot of people just keep it open sort of half-listening while they work, and if they need to do something that requires a lot of concentration, they just drop out. In fact, I have it open right now and all I hear is a bit of breathing and typing...

You have to think about it differently than "Oh, we go here for meetings". It's more like a watercooler -- pop in every now and then and see what's going on.

Re: Why We Still Believe in Working Remotely

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This blog post is wonderfully written; it succinctly outlines the benefits and the caveats from both the employer and the employee's perspective.

"I’ll let you in on a secret: most of our remote developers work longer hours than our in-office devs."

This reminds me of the 'unlimited vacation' policy, which, if I'm not mistaken has effectively showed that employees don't end up taking as many days off as they would if they were allotted the standard 15/20 days.

I generally feel that when you empower an employee, and give them ownership and responsibility, provided that they're passionate and capable, you'll see significant productivity gains. In the case of SE, this holds true because the problem that they're solving is so close to the creators of the product.

Re: Why We Still Believe in Working Remotely

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post #23

In general I agree that remote working has lot of advantages. Especially if you are a programmer you get the peace and quietness you need to get into the flow, no discussion here. I wrote my best code when I was alone with me and my music. But things are different if you want to build the next big thing with cofounders and there I experienced three big disadvantages: 1. All big (and finally successful) ideas and vent…

> Just working alone and from time to time a face2face meeting won't establish a relationship

I disagree with that. We had the first real in-person meetup about half a year after I joined the company. Up to that point, I knew everyone else pretty much only through text chat (Google Hangouts didn't exist yet).

But when I met everyone in person, it felt like we already knew each other quite well. It may not always be the case that your online and real-life personalities are aligned enough to get to know a person via chat, but in this case it definitely was.

Re: Why We Still Believe in Working Remotely

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I wonder what the legal issues are for an American company having cross-border employees. How do they take care of national insurance and income taxes etc for their UK-based employee when (presumably) they have no legal presence there? How does this work for them?

Usually the individuals are not employees pr. Se, unless the company in question has a local legal presence in the country of the employee. Instead they are hired on a simple business contract containing similar terms as a standard employement contract. The employee then sends invoices for their salary. In theory this makes them contractors, but in practice they are employees.

The employee will however most often have a few extra things to take care of themselves, compared to being "employed by the books". For example to report local taxes, pension arrangements, health insurance etc. The company isn't usually involved in that, but might pay for it indirectly through a salary that's adjusted for these aspects.

In some countries, local laws require the employee / contractor to have a company (sole proprietor kind). In others, the contracts can be made directly between the business and the individual.

Re: Why We Still Believe in Working Remotely

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post #23

In general I agree that remote working has lot of advantages. Especially if you are a programmer you get the peace and quietness you need to get into the flow, no discussion here. I wrote my best code when I was alone with me and my music. But things are different if you want to build the next big thing with cofounders and there I experienced three big disadvantages: 1. All big (and finally successful) ideas and vent…

"All big (and finally successful) ideas and ventures were born by sitting together, day for day"

Github are a distributed team, Digg's programmer was a remote employee (from elance IIRC). Linux would be another biggie.

Re: Why We Still Believe in Working Remotely

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post #23

In general I agree that remote working has lot of advantages. Especially if you are a programmer you get the peace and quietness you need to get into the flow, no discussion here. I wrote my best code when I was alone with me and my music. But things are different if you want to build the next big thing with cofounders and there I experienced three big disadvantages: 1. All big (and finally successful) ideas and vent…

(Author, here) Regarding #1 and #2, I have to say that one of the most surprising things about Google Hangouts is that they've really make it easy to... hang out! It's pretty standard on Fridays (or during the week) to kick back for an hour or two and just talk in the hangout. A lot of people just keep it open sort of half-listening while they work, and if they need to do something that requires a lot of concentratio…

Ok this sounds interesting and and is new for me (having informal hangout time on Google Hangout).

Re: Why We Still Believe in Working Remotely

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Here's my big secret about remote working...

I sit at my desk a lot less, but work a lot more. I'm one of those people that simply cannot solve complex problems while sitting at a desk. Because I'm not beholden to butt-in-the-chair syndrome, I am free to spend an hour or more going for a walk, visiting a local coffee shop, or taking a bath so I can think and problem solve before typing into a console. As a result, my work takes less time and requires fewer revisions than when I was sitting in a chair at an office.

The down side...I'm always at work. In order to create the separation I have to make sure to leave the laptop upstairs in the office or else I'll just keep working at the kitchen counter.

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