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Re: The PNG image file format is now more popular than GIF

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Post by pornel »

bad_user wrote: post #82
martinced wrote: post #15

"The PNG image file format is now more popular than GIF" ... On the Web! PNG has been more popular than GIF since a very long time for basically anything non-web needing lossless picture compression. From smartphones icons to OS icons, software logos and icons, etc. I'd say the proportion is about 100:1. Actually I was suprised while just running a "find" on my Linux distro to even find a few .gif files. But thousand…

PNG would have won a long time ago on the web, if it wasn't for IExplorer.

GIF-like transparency in PNG works in IE4 and later.

Only the full alpha that GIF doesn't support at all isn't working properly (but can be made to work since IE5.5).

http://calendar.perfplanet.com/2010/png-that-works/#paletted

Re: The PNG image file format is now more popular than GIF

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Post by pornel »

ahoge wrote: post #70
monsterix wrote: post #28

Wonder what happened to the WebP format from Google? Last when I tried using it, there were no nice image converters that would convert my PNGs into WebP properly. Any live websites using it?

Mozilla is still against it. Makes me kinda angry, actually. They killed MNG/JNG, because it added like 100kB to the installer and because we should just use Flash instead (seriously). It's now a decade later and we still don't have a lossy RGBA format. If quantized PNG8s aren't good enough, you can only use gigantic PNG32 files, which are over 5 times larger than JNG or WebP files. I've seen websites which were over…

We do have lossy RGBA that works in all browsers since IE7 (and degrades well in IE4+):

http://pngquant.org http://tinypng.org

And while it's not as good as WebP, it's 20% of the filesize you get from Photoshop.

http://pngmini.com/vs-webp/

Re: The PNG image file format is now more popular than GIF

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Post by derleth »

duaneb wrote: post #90
salmanapk wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>JPEG XR†, seems vastly superior to WebP in almost every way No animations duh.

Is that really a problem? I would much prefer animated gifs never existed.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Cinemagraphs/

Re: The PNG image file format is now more popular than GIF

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Post by maxst »

kijin wrote: post #85
maxst wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> can be easily fixed (in most cases) by using iepngfix for IE6 It could be even more easily fixed by using GIFs instead. I assume that's what many people thought. Thankfully, IE6 is finally dead and no one have to worry about PNGs anymore.

GIF doesn't support alpha channel transparency, so you won't be fixing the same problem.

I guess 1-bit transparency was considered "good enough" in most cases, otherwise static GIFs would have disappeared years ago.

Re: The PNG image file format is now more popular than GIF

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Post by snogglethorpe »

maxst wrote: post #58
eggspurt wrote: post #46

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At the PNG Group we designed the MNG format for animated images, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple-image_Network_Graphics

I remember you guys wanted to create simplified MNG 2.0, without stuff like MAGN and delta-PNG. What happened to it?

Wait, you want to remove deltas?!

Animated GIFs are still humongous and slow to load, even with today's fast network links... Surely one of the bet reasons to replace them is to actually do a bit better.

Re: The PNG image file format is now more popular than GIF

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Post by maxst »

snogglethorpe wrote: post #96
maxst wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember you guys wanted to create simplified MNG 2.0, without stuff like MAGN and delta-PNG. What happened to it?

Wait, you want to remove deltas?! Animated GIFs are still humongous and slow to load, even with today's fast network links... Surely one of the bet reasons to replace them is to actually do a bit better.

The type of deltas used in GIF can be easily implemented as it's the standard alpha blending method, available at OS and GPU level. Can't say that about more complex delta-PNG algorithm from MNG spec.

Re: The PNG image file format is now more popular than GIF

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Post by eggspurt »

zevyoura wrote: post #79
eggspurt wrote: post #61

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Honestly, I tuned out. Animations are procedural and are best represented with a scripting language - not with a declarative image format. Resource-constraining javascript within an (i)frame is probably a better way to spend a browser developer's time.

This is true for the majority of animations, but .gifs have come to serve a niche for short video content sans audio that they uniquely fulfill on the web. If APNG or MNG or whatever could replace huge animated .gifs for things like r/cinemagraphs I'd be thrilled.

Having seen animated gifs, I can assure you that mngs (pronounced as mings) would be likewise huge. It's better to just have a 1-line JS script do this, and a standard for sandboxing nonthreatening JS.

Re: The PNG image file format is now more popular than GIF

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Post by bbotond »

biot wrote: post #89
martinced wrote: post #15

"The PNG image file format is now more popular than GIF" ... On the Web! PNG has been more popular than GIF since a very long time for basically anything non-web needing lossless picture compression. From smartphones icons to OS icons, software logos and icons, etc. I'd say the proportion is about 100:1. Actually I was suprised while just running a "find" on my Linux distro to even find a few .gif files. But thousand…

> But GIF? Common... I think you mean uncommon.

Or "Come on..." :)

Re: The PNG image file format is now more popular than GIF

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Post by maxst »

eggspurt wrote: post #98
zevyoura wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is true for the majority of animations, but .gifs have come to serve a niche for short video content sans audio that they uniquely fulfill on the web. If APNG or MNG or whatever could replace huge animated .gifs for things like r/cinemagraphs I'd be thrilled.

Having seen animated gifs, I can assure you that mngs (pronounced as mings) would be likewise huge. It's better to just have a 1-line JS script do this, and a standard for sandboxing nonthreatening JS.

But you can't upload that 1-line JS script to imgur.

Animated GIFs are getting very popular again because even with 5Mb-8Mb sizes GIFs are easier to handle today, comparing to downloading that 200Kb Dancing_Baby.gif in the 90s.

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