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Reflections on Cannabis, Ayahuasca and the mystery of plant teachers

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Re: Reflections on Cannabis, Ayahuasca and the mystery of plant teachers

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post #6

A lot of the descriptions of Ayahuasca are similar to mushrooms (everything depends on dosage of course!) Truly life-augmenting experiences. As a 10 year pot smoker I stopped rather randomly about 4 months ago. I didn't do it for any reason besides respiratory health, and probably wouldn't have changed if I had a good vaporizer. It's fine not smoking but I drink more and find my mind moving away from the broad thinki…

Have you tried not smoking AND not drinking? ;-)

Same boat, I smoked a lot of herb growing up (never drawn to drink particularly), but stopped in my 20s for about 6 years.

No longer clear, smoke every couple of weeks, and trip a couple times a year, 1/4 of shrooms and off into the woods, goodbye world.

foolish pride in you I am broken praise

The love in and beyond all things, is there anyone more blind than myself?

Sorry, got a bit off track there...back to "reality"

Re: Reflections on Cannabis, Ayahuasca and the mystery of plant teachers

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"Perhaps they ARE all 'within the brain' as skeptics say".

Right, so it's only "skeptics" who point out the bleeding obvious?

I think we can safely say it is most certainly all within the brain. That's what the drug is directly influencing, and as a result your mind goes over the waterfall and you are forced to just go along with it, or suffer if you put up resistance.

The problem with long term fans of DMT, cannabis, and all manner of psychedelics is that you end up writing books about it that mean more to you than they could anyone else. There's exceptions (Castaneda), but that's generally how it goes.

The thing is, if you need to take Ayahuasca before your own brain tells you that your abuse of pot is out of control, then that points to something far less sophisticated than the exotic make-believe problems of spiritual junkies. It points to the obvious: that you're lazy. It really is that simple.

Not to undermine the importance of getting back to basics or nature, and sorting through personal issues, perhaps even under the influence of psychedelics - that can be a very cleansing experience. But you shouldn't need to go to Brazil for that and drink sewerage tasting cocktails of God-knows what and vomit your guts up. That is nothing more than conscientious stupidity (IMHO).

Re: Reflections on Cannabis, Ayahuasca and the mystery of plant teachers

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went to grad school with a guy who, while traveling in Brazil, encountered a shaman/teacher, and decided to take a so-called "heroic dose". Apparently the roof of the sky ripped open and voila, GOD. Was a bit much as he took 2 years to recover and, AFAIK, has been substance free ever since. Also know a guy who lived in the Amazon taking Ayahuasca daily for 6 months -- came back stateside completely & utterly beamin…

There's a long symbiosis of psychedelics with hackers. Something about information wanting to be free, curiosity, and deep insight...

hmmm, yes, deep insight.

I actually gave a hit of LSD to a Zen priest from Japan once. Said it was interesting, hallucinated and so on.

However, he was quite clear that psychedelics as a path to awakening is...off the mark.

Anyway, monastics are on a permanent trip...just like you and me, even off the mark, we can't help but nail it, life is the biggest bulls eye around ;-)

Re: Reflections on Cannabis, Ayahuasca and the mystery of plant teachers

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FWIW, A couple of (semi) recent local news (here in Peru) about the practice...

http://america.infobae.com/notas/57978-Peru-joven-estadounid...

http://peru.com/2011/11/28/actualidad/otras-noticias/video-m...

I am not saying don't do it.. just be careful with what you do.

Re: Reflections on Cannabis, Ayahuasca and the mystery of plant teachers

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post #6

A lot of the descriptions of Ayahuasca are similar to mushrooms (everything depends on dosage of course!) Truly life-augmenting experiences. As a 10 year pot smoker I stopped rather randomly about 4 months ago. I didn't do it for any reason besides respiratory health, and probably wouldn't have changed if I had a good vaporizer. It's fine not smoking but I drink more and find my mind moving away from the broad thinki…

> The likes of psychedelics, however, are framing or pivotal events in my life

Likewise. I have only used them twice for that reason. I will also say the two times I have had terrifying hallucinations, they were induced by intensive meditation, not by drugs. The thing is, I think that you get out of these things what you put into them. The time I tried mushrooms, I could move in and out of reality as I chose. I attributed this to preparation because many of the others who tries mushrooms with me could not do this.

The time I tried LSD was different. I could not move back to reality, but I spent most of the time in meditation. Finally later I gave up on meditating only to have a series of life-altering epiphanies and hallucinations immediately following.

These experiences can happen without drugs to be sure, but there is something about taking oneself out of the normal world that seems to facilitate them.

Re: Reflections on Cannabis, Ayahuasca and the mystery of plant teachers

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post #6

A lot of the descriptions of Ayahuasca are similar to mushrooms (everything depends on dosage of course!) Truly life-augmenting experiences. As a 10 year pot smoker I stopped rather randomly about 4 months ago. I didn't do it for any reason besides respiratory health, and probably wouldn't have changed if I had a good vaporizer. It's fine not smoking but I drink more and find my mind moving away from the broad thinki…

Have you tried not smoking AND not drinking? ;-) Same boat, I smoked a lot of herb growing up (never drawn to drink particularly), but stopped in my 20s for about 6 years. No longer clear, smoke every couple of weeks, and trip a couple times a year, 1/4 of shrooms and off into the woods, goodbye world. foolish pride in you I am broken praise The love in and beyond all things, is there anyone more blind than myself? S…

It's funny, I am not the OP but I read this:

> Have you tried not smoking AND not drinking? ;-)

And i noticed that my home remedies for asthma and respiratory stuff all involve either smoking (legal, non-tobacco) herbal remedies (Verbasculum thapsis) or binge drinking ;-). Fortunately it's only required a couple times a year at most. In both cases, I find the duration and severity of respiratory problems goes way down..... (In comparison to modern pharmaceuticals.)

Re: Reflections on Cannabis, Ayahuasca and the mystery of plant teachers

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post #12

"Perhaps they ARE all 'within the brain' as skeptics say". Right, so it's only "skeptics" who point out the bleeding obvious? I think we can safely say it is most certainly all within the brain. That's what the drug is directly influencing, and as a result your mind goes over the waterfall and you are forced to just go along with it, or suffer if you put up resistance. The problem with long term fans of DMT, cannabis…

Well, life comes with batteries included, but the desire to hook up the 240 volt is there regardless.

Here, brain, inside, outside, no idea what any of that means.

It's like saying what is outside of everything, or what is inside of outside.

Not one single thing can be explained, but as if by magic Scala 2.10 build times remain slow and another Ruby library gets hacked into.

And so it goes...ours is not to reason why

Re: Reflections on Cannabis, Ayahuasca and the mystery of plant teachers

#19
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a long symbiosis of psychedelics with hackers. Something about information wanting to be free, curiosity, and deep insight...

hmmm, yes, deep insight. I actually gave a hit of LSD to a Zen priest from Japan once. Said it was interesting, hallucinated and so on. However, he was quite clear that psychedelics as a path to awakening is...off the mark. Anyway, monastics are on a permanent trip...just like you and me, even off the mark, we can't help but nail it, life is the biggest bulls eye around ;-)

they can certainly help one see amazing insights or interesting things, but he's correct that they're not particularly good as a tool to awaken/enlightenment. too much distraction.

Re: Reflections on Cannabis, Ayahuasca and the mystery of plant teachers

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post #12

"Perhaps they ARE all 'within the brain' as skeptics say". Right, so it's only "skeptics" who point out the bleeding obvious? I think we can safely say it is most certainly all within the brain. That's what the drug is directly influencing, and as a result your mind goes over the waterfall and you are forced to just go along with it, or suffer if you put up resistance. The problem with long term fans of DMT, cannabis…

> I think we can safely say it is most certainly all within the brain.

Occam's razor says you're probably right, but personally I'm holding out the slim hope that there's something much cooler going on, call it primitive telepathy or whatever. The next few decades will hopefully tell.

> But you shouldn't need to go to Brazil for that and drink sewerage tasting cocktails of God-knows what and vomit your guts up. That is nothing more than conscientious stupidity (IMHO).

This is less stupid than popping a pill whose side effects take longer to list than the rest of its commercial. I mean, just look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venlafaxine#Adverse_effects. That's stupid, and it was a good point made in the post.

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