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Visual Studio and Team Foundation Server will have Git support

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Re: Visual Studio and Team Foundation Server will have Git support

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Rock on, Microsoft — this is great news for Windows developers. As much as the open source community (of which I am a part) loves to rag on Microsoft, they seem to have recognized the threat of platforms moving off of Windows (Steam, iPads, Android, ...) and are taking reasonable steps to encourage development for Windows (make the developer experience better). This — a reasonable response to a potential threat — is…

But the response is years late, as usual.

Years later than what?

Re: Visual Studio and Team Foundation Server will have Git support

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post #76
post #49

Rock on, Microsoft — this is great news for Windows developers. As much as the open source community (of which I am a part) loves to rag on Microsoft, they seem to have recognized the threat of platforms moving off of Windows (Steam, iPads, Android, ...) and are taking reasonable steps to encourage development for Windows (make the developer experience better). This — a reasonable response to a potential threat — is…

As a (now former) long time Window developer, and even though people like to bash on it, I still think VS (>2003) is the best god damn IDE I've ever used. And with .NET it leaves everyone in the dust, IMHO.

Dream on. Java ecosystems have left you guys by 10k miles.

Re: Visual Studio and Team Foundation Server will have Git support

#94

When I read "Q: Does this mean Team Foundation Version Control (TFVC) is dead? A: Not for a second." The thing that comes to mind is a politician saying "I'm not thinking about resigning". His resignation has just become nearly inevitable. I have more belief in the statement about Microsoft working with open source, or at least MS Developer Division working with open source. On the whole this looks cool, though VS in…

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Re: Visual Studio and Team Foundation Server will have Git support

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post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a (now former) long time Window developer, and even though people like to bash on it, I still think VS (>2003) is the best god damn IDE I've ever used. And with .NET it leaves everyone in the dust, IMHO.

Dream on. Java ecosystems have left you guys by 10k miles.

I'm curious, what Java IDE is 10K miles ahead of Visual Studio 2012/C# in your experience? Have you recently used VS with C#?

Re: Visual Studio and Team Foundation Server will have Git support

#96
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd argue that isn't really the use case for their free tools. They want you to make ASP.NET web sites, Windows Phone apps and maybe a few simple desktop apps.

I'm sure that's their argument too. "Express isn't 'for' that." However, Microsoft is not really in a position now to dictate what developers "should" be using Windows/Visual Studio for. If they want Windows to remain relevant as a platform then putting roadblocks in front of developers is the wrong thing to do, even if the roadblocks are well-intentioned "steering" towards a development path Microsoft prefers.

However, Microsoft is not really in a position now to dictate what developers "should" be using Windows/Visual Studio for.

Microsoft's developer tools have been a fairly lucrative part of their business. They are entirely within their rights, and with a robust, well-justified business case, segmenting the way they do. I would love to have everything for free as well, but the real world doesn't always work that way.

Intel sells their compiler suite for $1000 or so, it's worth noting. All so you can buy their chips.

Re: Visual Studio and Team Foundation Server will have Git support

#98
post #31

Git doesn't transplant from the UNIX ecosystem very well. It's why the only options for Git in Windows so far have been as part of a UNIX interop solution like msys, cygwin, interix, etc. It will be really nice to see a proper Git client for Windows especially if it means Windows is also getting a proper SSH.

I've been using git on Windows for years, and while the need for msys stuff is a little clunky, I've never had any problems using it. In fact, the built-in gui tools (git-gui and gitk) work WAY better on Windows than they do on OSX. libgit2 will eventually make it possible to make a nice GUI client without shelling out to git itself. GitHub for Mac and GitHub for Windows both use it now, and it's way better than pars…

I've been using git on windows as well and it works for sure but it's obviously not a native windows tool. It doesn't integrate with any windows stuff (credential management, indexing service, scripting objects, etc.) it brings all of its own stuff from the unix world (ssh, grep, bash, etc) and depending how you set it up all of those things run in a weird emulation sandbox (where's your .ssh/config? your .bashrc, .gitconfig?). If you use egit in eclipse and msysgit you probably have had to copy your ssh keys and host settings in two places. When I use it from the command line I'm switching between windows and unix style paths (msys and cygwin both have a path wrapper utility but I'm using git on SUA for best performance).

I think a proper windows git would entail a proper windows ssh where your keys and host settings are managed in one place in the control panel or something (or at least %USERPROFILE%\.ssh\config) and would have a seamless integration with explorer and the filesystem so that other tools can leverage it transparently similar to how ssh is used transparently by so many unix tools.

Re: Visual Studio and Team Foundation Server will have Git support

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dream on. Java ecosystems have left you guys by 10k miles.

I'm curious, what Java IDE is 10K miles ahead of Visual Studio 2012/C# in your experience? Have you recently used VS with C#?

Haven't used 2012, but I think that IntelliJ IDEA is much better than VS 2010, anyway. Not to knock on 2010, but IDEA is pretty amazing.

Re: Visual Studio and Team Foundation Server will have Git support

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post #76
post #49

Rock on, Microsoft — this is great news for Windows developers. As much as the open source community (of which I am a part) loves to rag on Microsoft, they seem to have recognized the threat of platforms moving off of Windows (Steam, iPads, Android, ...) and are taking reasonable steps to encourage development for Windows (make the developer experience better). This — a reasonable response to a potential threat — is…

As a (now former) long time Window developer, and even though people like to bash on it, I still think VS (>2003) is the best god damn IDE I've ever used. And with .NET it leaves everyone in the dust, IMHO.

You've obviously never suffered a large project. Crashes, memory gobbling, random debugger failures, glacial speed, lag, project configuration corruption, UI glitches, refusing to load projects, half complete refactoring operations, search/replace just stops, having to reset environment at least once a day, grey screen of death.

And that's just the IDE. CLR is the only framework and language combo I've used which will quite happily just stop working with no human intervention one day.

It's a bag of shit for me and I resent using it.

For ref, I've been building software on windows since 1994 from win32 to wpf to asp.net to mvc to WCF.

The only positive thing I can say is the money is good, but it's danger money.

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