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Julian Assange to run for Australian Senate

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Re: Julian Assange to run for Australian Senate

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I imagine it's probably a bit tricky to extradite a sitting member of the federal Parliament...

Extradite, waterboard, soletary confinement, sleep deprivation... The only positive thing is it would set a nice precedent for corrupt Parliament members.

Sorry… it's HN, it brings out the finest pedantry in me.

Re: Julian Assange to run for Australian Senate

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I think focussing on the Senate run as an effort to avoid extradition is missing the point.

It's two things. One is to actually try and do some good via a spot in the Senate. Cynicism might tell you that's not right/too simple. Ignore that feeling. Some people do actually have ideals.

Secondly, it's a bit of good old shit-stirring. Certainly something we need in Australian politics.

Re: Julian Assange to run for Australian Senate

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post #28

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I imagine it's probably a bit tricky to extradite a sitting member of the federal Parliament...

A suspected criminal is a suspected criminal; I don't know what the tradition is in Oz, but wouldn't they vote (present a majority) to nullify any diplomatic immunity? I know about cases in parliamentary democracies where someone's immunity has been nullified - assuming they have it in Australia - but only in domestic disputes, not international.

Australia does not have immunity for Parliamentarians.

Immunity is mostly a feature of countries with fully separated powers.

In fused Parliamentary systems it makes less sense to worry about the infringements of the Executive upon the Legislative, because the Executive is subsidiary to the Legislative.

Re: Julian Assange to run for Australian Senate

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post #35

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The charges were already dropped, then the prosecutor mysteriously replaced and the case reopened. The whole thing is a farce so there's no reason to bother with any trial.

Nothing mysterious going on here. It's not uncommon for another prosecutor to reopen a case if there are reasonable grounds for it. You can't seriously argue that someone who is accused of rape should just be set free like that. Guilty or not he should stand trial.

> Guilty or not he should stand trial.

If there weren't a lot of major governments that really really want to get him, so that he could be guaranteed a fair trial, then of course he should stand trial.

Re: Julian Assange to run for Australian Senate

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post #42

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Check out the Sex Party. Despite the stupid name, they're actually a civil liberties party - equality for all, privacy, net neutrality, that sort of thing. At least at the last federal election they were.

They're a gimmick party and we all know it. Numerous parties have stood under those policies without resorting to cheap marketing tactics.

Meh, the greens are a gimmick party. Even the democrats were a gimmick party - their slogan was for a long time not even about their own party ('keep the bastards honest'). I'd much rather the Sex Party get the last senate seat than the DLP (who nabbed it in Vic last time around).

Pretty much any party that hasn't had a serious go in power is a gimmick party, simply due to lack of experience.

Re: Julian Assange to run for Australian Senate

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post #38

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Antony Green wrote a posting on this issue (and Assange's general chances of being elected) here: http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2012/12/what-chance-of-j... The short of it is that being qualified to become such an elector is a broader category than actually being on the electoral roll - you don't need to be on the roll to run for the Senate, just meet the basic requirements in S93.

I still think a court would be asked to rule on the question of "intention to reside", which is what the whole thing revolves on. Assange can wish to reside in Australia inside the 6 year deadline. But that's not the same as being realistically able to. In that case, he may be unable to form a legally meaningful intent. Or the Act might be read in the sense that intent is intent, regardless of whether such an intent…

The "intent to reside" requirement is in S94A, which limits who can apply to the Electoral Commissioner to be enrolled. But that's not the same thing as "qualified to become such an elector", which is governed only by S93 - basically you just need to be an Australian citizen over the age of 18 who isn't insane or been convicted of treason.

Re: Julian Assange to run for Australian Senate

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Don't Australia have extradition treaty agreements with the U.S.?

It's not a problem because there's no way he'd get in. Even people sympathetic to him as a person would think he'd be incredibly ineffectual - a literally absent senator.

And yes, we have extradition treaties with the US - a few years ago, we dutifully handed over a hacker who had never set foot in US soil, because his activities were harming US profits somewhere.

EDIT: It reminds me of a Mad Magazine gag: One of the good things about being a senator is that you get to use the title The Honourable right up until they throw you in jail for all the things you did.

Re: Julian Assange to run for Australian Senate

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The charges were already dropped, then the prosecutor mysteriously replaced and the case reopened. The whole thing is a farce so there's no reason to bother with any trial.

Nothing mysterious going on here. It's not uncommon for another prosecutor to reopen a case if there are reasonable grounds for it. You can't seriously argue that someone who is accused of rape should just be set free like that. Guilty or not he should stand trial.

> can't seriously argue that someone who is accused of rape should just be set free like that

If there's no substance to the allegations, yes, the person accused should absolutely just be set free like that. This is obvious.

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