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Ecomom's Founder and CEO Jody Sherman Passes Away

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Re: Ecomom's Founder and CEO Jody Sherman Passes Away

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If you're feeling this way please just TELL somebody. If you're ready to kill yourself, what more do you have to lose by just letting someone know?

I have seen close friends and relatives work their way through depression (varying levels), so unfortunate as it is, here is the answer (I KNOW the following sounds crazy - even to me - but this is what is considered rational and obvious by suicidal folks)

Telling someone makes it likely that they will try to stop you. If you have decided to take your life, the worst thing you want (in some cases) is for someone try and prevent it from happening.

Also, depression never leaves you alone, so there will be multiple points in your life where you will think about taking your own life, and you will yourself doubt whether you will go through with it up to the point of pulling the trigger, so you don't want to tell someone and "waste their time" if you are not sure you are going to do it.

Its pretty crazy how these things work, and the best way out for me in helping such people has been to physically take them to a professional, every time, every session, until someone certifies them as no longer depressed. Nothing else has worked for me and I know I am not qualified or capable in talking someone out of a suicide attempt.

Re: Ecomom's Founder and CEO Jody Sherman Passes Away

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I hate to get analytical here, but is anyone tracking the suicides of founders? Is it higher than average or are we just seeing more news bubble-up after Swartz?

When I was in high school one of the students committed suicide. There was a lot of discussion and outreach at the school at the time. One of the things they talked about was that once one student commits suicide it greatly increases the chances that others will follow.

My mother is also a social worker at the VA Hospital, and she's had some of her patients opt out so to speak. It does appear to have a very strong pull on other people who are suicidal to choose that path.

So if anyone reading this is having those thoughts, please, please talk to someone professionally. Call the suicide hotline in your area. There are very real things that can be done to help you through this.

Re: Ecomom's Founder and CEO Jody Sherman Passes Away

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post #2

If you're feeling this way please just TELL somebody. If you're ready to kill yourself, what more do you have to lose by just letting someone know?

I have seen close friends and relatives work their way through depression (varying levels), so unfortunate as it is, here is the answer (I KNOW the following sounds crazy - even to me - but this is what is considered rational and obvious by suicidal folks) Telling someone makes it likely that they will try to stop you. If you have decided to take your life, the worst thing you want (in some cases) is for someone try…

There are other reasons too.

Having been there myself, the big one I've seen in myself and with friends in similar situations is that the depressed individual feels worthless and "unfixable" at their core because of their:

- past behaviour (e.g. they did something considered seriously socially unacceptable and feel they can't tell anybody lest they be ostracised forever, or people already know about it and they are ostracised leading to feelings of no hope of escape); or

- past experiences (e.g. they have a string of failed relationships they feel responsible for and believe they'll never be happy and every day seeing happy couples on Facebook or in the shopping mall is like a stab in the heart).

At the root of it is hopelessness, which also covers:

- future expectations (e.g. they're trapped in a very bad situation, e.g. money, relationship, crime, etc., and can see no way of escape)

In these desperate situations, they feel too guilty, hopeless, ashamed and/or disgusted to discuss their circumstances with anybody, and besides, in their minds, it wouldn't accomplish anything because they "know" they're broken ("I can't live with myself after what I did", "Alice was the only person who could love somebody like me", etc.) or screwed ("I can't go to prison", "If anybody ever finds out I'll never get a decent job/lover ever again", "Nobody can replace Alice, I screwed up forever", etc.) and there's no way out.

Perhaps the saddest thing about suicidal depression is that many (note: I'm not claiming all, or even a majority, OR in the case of Aaron OR Jody, simply 'many'!) of these scenarios seem to stem from a dysfunctional belief system and a lack of introspective coping skills that I imagine could easily be taught, in the form of life skills based on cognitive behavioural therapy, to school teenage children. Many parents lack these skills (through no fault of their own), and pass dysfunctional beliefs and thought processes onto their children (entirely unconsciously).

It's fascinating to me that such a serious problem - the #2 non-biological cause of death, behind road traffic accidents - receives so little real attention [1]. People get upset about wars, murders, have extensive fire safety requirements, covers for their pools, hide their poison and medicines from children, panic over their children being abducted or falling pregnant etc., yet suicidal depression? I don't believe I knew a thing about it until I had to learn quickly - to help myself.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_causes_of_death_by_rate

Re: Ecomom's Founder and CEO Jody Sherman Passes Away

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If you're feeling this way please just TELL somebody. If you're ready to kill yourself, what more do you have to lose by just letting someone know?

I have seen close friends and relatives work their way through depression (varying levels), so unfortunate as it is, here is the answer (I KNOW the following sounds crazy - even to me - but this is what is considered rational and obvious by suicidal folks) Telling someone makes it likely that they will try to stop you. If you have decided to take your life, the worst thing you want (in some cases) is for someone try…

I don't think he necessarily means that the person should tell someone his/her suicidal thoughts. I think he means that the person should tell someone about his/her troubles and worries so that others may provide help and support for that the depressed person. I think no one really really wants to die. People choose to end their lives because they feel there is no other way to ease their pain, emotional or physical. But if others tell them that there is a way to get better, they will choose to live.
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