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Re: Yale Computer Science Dept overworked, understaffed

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But they've been increasing tuition like crazy too right? ~4-6% every 3 years according to http://oir.yale.edu/node/108/attachment Apparently that gets spent on all kinds of things, just not the actual education the students need. At >30k a year you could really expect that they would hire enough real teachers.

The lack of professors may also be caused by the whole "world-class researcher" fetish. You don't need ninja rockstars to teach intro CS.

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I'm a CS major at Yale right now. In my opinion, this whole issue has arisen because there is confusion about what "computer science" should be at a university. Theoretical computer science that professors do is a world away from the casual HTML/CSS development that many non-CS-majors want to dabble in after watching The Social Network. I think an excellent university should have instruction in both, and enough profe…

Yale CS alum here (DC 04). Yale unfortunately tends to be on the extreme side of theories and fundamentals. Having some more practical experience helps those theories and fundamentals sink in. For example, I didn't appreciate closures until I started programming professionally. It was a curiosity before that. The professors there sort of expect you to get that sort of experience on your own, which some students do get but it's really uneven.

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Ugh this sounds familiar. Back in 2008-2010 I was one of two sitting students on the Computer Science curriculum committee at Rensselaer Polytechnic University (RPI). Three topics were always present: 1. What do we do about kids who come in knowing inadequate math and how does this keep happening? 2. Should we consider switching out C/C++ as the default for Java as the default. (The answer to this was almost always n…

I didn't love him. I didn't dislike him or anything, he's a nice person, but most of my other CS professors were better teachers than he was. His lecturing style was dry and boring, and his selection of course material and assignments was mediocre. (The threading assignment in Operating Systems didn't even involve running more than one thread concurrently. You spawned a thread and immediately waited for it!) Looking at the recent OS course website I googled (Goldschmidt's) the assignments are more rigorous and more interesting.

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I'm a CS major at Yale right now. In my opinion, this whole issue has arisen because there is confusion about what "computer science" should be at a university. Theoretical computer science that professors do is a world away from the casual HTML/CSS development that many non-CS-majors want to dabble in after watching The Social Network. I think an excellent university should have instruction in both, and enough profe…

So if enrollment for hard CS is off the charts and you don't have enough people to teach it... create more light CS classes to encourage broader enrollment?

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This will probably blow over once the impact of The Social Network has faded. Enrollment will go back down to near what it was before.

I'm finishing my CS degree at Georgia State (after a 6 year hiatus) and all of the lower level classes the last 2 semesters have been filled to the brim with people who had no idea what they were getting into.

When you select CS as your major, there should be a popup box that asks if you're aware CS involves math.

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I'm a CS student at the University of Washington. We do something [that I consider] interesting here to staff TAs for courses, which is hire undergraduate teaching assistants. Generally, a course will have one head TA who is a grad student, and multiple undergraduate TAs. I've TA'd for a while as an undergraduate, and it's been a really great experience for my career. Especially in the intro courses and lower level c…

The University of Chicago has begun to do this, as well. It's uncommon for UofC to fall into technological trends.

This is sort of interesting because the Math department at UChicago has had undergraduate TAs for a long time for at least the first year courses, and I believe a couple of the second year courses, but it seems only recently has the CS department done the same for its first year courses.

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This might be a concerning trend if you are a working programmer. Currently labor is tight, but it seems in a few years the schools will be cranking out huge numbers of CS majors. If past cycles are an indication, this might coincide with decreased demand. Look what has happened in the legal field. There is a glut of lawyers currently on the market.

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If anyone wants to email Yale's incoming President Peter Salovey to let him know why this is not OK, his email is Peter.Salovey@yale.edu

It's a virtual certainty that email to that address goes to an administrative assistant and not directly to the president. Guess why?

Re: Yale Computer Science Dept overworked, understaffed

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This will probably blow over once the impact of The Social Network has faded. Enrollment will go back down to near what it was before. I'm finishing my CS degree at Georgia State (after a 6 year hiatus) and all of the lower level classes the last 2 semesters have been filled to the brim with people who had no idea what they were getting into. When you select CS as your major, there should be a popup box that asks if…

I'm from Atlanta and went to Georgia Tech man good luck on your degree man.

Re: Yale Computer Science Dept overworked, understaffed

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This might be a concerning trend if you are a working programmer. Currently labor is tight, but it seems in a few years the schools will be cranking out huge numbers of CS majors. If past cycles are an indication, this might coincide with decreased demand. Look what has happened in the legal field. There is a glut of lawyers currently on the market.

Law has transformed into the liberal arts degree of the current age. Almost nobody actually goes on to law; they go on to management or other analysis/talk careers.

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It occurs to me that I've caused downvotable confusion because law degrees in the USA are quite different from law degrees in Australia (where I studied law).

In the USA law is a postgraduate degree.

Here it is an undergraduate degree. Australian citizens receive very generous loans and until recently, places for each degree at any given university were fixed by Commonwealth quotas. Students with high year 12 scores and no idea of what to do next studied law or medicine because, in a quota placement scheme, those courses had the highest entry scores. Basically a status thing.

You're "smart"? Do law! (Which is how I wound up doing it).

Hence my remark that it's replaced the Arts degree as something that can be used to step into a higher entry rung in a large company or government department.

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