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Re: Explore Salaries and Equity at AngelList

#51

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Wrong. There's a big difference between taking $20-50K less per year in salary and chugging away for years with little or no pay. Whether you're full-time as an entrepreneur trying to make a startup or slaving away in your free time, when you could be out partying, there's an inherent risk in time and money that is not the same as a simple pay cut.

In my opinion founders chug away for years with little or no pay because they love it. If someone think of it as a sacrifice towards achieving billions then they should be doing something else. You have to enjoy the process. Quantifying your sacrifices in "Fun" is harder than calculating your financial risks and I think equity should be based on that. Partying all the time is not a bad idea if you love it.

I think you can't use subjective measures like 'enjoyment' when doing this sort of calculation.

I feel the best way to split equity is to make the standard salary "swappable" with equity. let me give an example:

say 1 founder, 1 early employee. At the start, there is $100k in the bank that the founder put in (or otherwise managed to get). Founder has 100% equity, so each 1% equity is "worth" $1000;

first year, lets say the employee worked and produced $100k worth of value. Lets further say the normal rate is $100k for that employee. So the company has $200k worth of value, even tho there is only $100k in the bank. The employee could take 0% equity, and $100k in money. Or, 50% equity, and $0 money (and all scale variation in between).

Re: Explore Salaries and Equity at AngelList

#52

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I don't understand your statement about how 1% of 100,000 shares is different from 1% of 10,000. How is it different?

You reminded me of the startup I did where we would offer people 1% of the company, and the candidates would say "that's only 2000 shares. This other company is offering me 50,000 shares." It can get depressing trying to hire people sometimes.

Sounds like you may need to revise your screening process... these people should not get this far.

Re: Explore Salaries and Equity at AngelList

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrong. There's a big difference between taking $20-50K less per year in salary and chugging away for years with little or no pay. Whether you're full-time as an entrepreneur trying to make a startup or slaving away in your free time, when you could be out partying, there's an inherent risk in time and money that is not the same as a simple pay cut.

In my opinion founders chug away for years with little or no pay because they love it. If someone think of it as a sacrifice towards achieving billions then they should be doing something else. You have to enjoy the process. Quantifying your sacrifices in "Fun" is harder than calculating your financial risks and I think equity should be based on that. Partying all the time is not a bad idea if you love it.

Regardless of how 'fun' something is you're choosing to risk your time and money on an idea (rather than another idea or another job). I have a ton of fun at my day job. That doesn't mean they should pay me less, because then I could go work for someone else who appreciates my value and hopefully have fun there and make better money. Fun or how much I love it is a separate issue.

Re: Explore Salaries and Equity at AngelList

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrong. There's a big difference between taking $20-50K less per year in salary and chugging away for years with little or no pay. Whether you're full-time as an entrepreneur trying to make a startup or slaving away in your free time, when you could be out partying, there's an inherent risk in time and money that is not the same as a simple pay cut.

In my opinion founders chug away for years with little or no pay because they love it. If someone think of it as a sacrifice towards achieving billions then they should be doing something else. You have to enjoy the process. Quantifying your sacrifices in "Fun" is harder than calculating your financial risks and I think equity should be based on that. Partying all the time is not a bad idea if you love it.

How do they pay their bills with 'no pay'. The trust fund?

Re: Explore Salaries and Equity at AngelList

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my opinion founders chug away for years with little or no pay because they love it. If someone think of it as a sacrifice towards achieving billions then they should be doing something else. You have to enjoy the process. Quantifying your sacrifices in "Fun" is harder than calculating your financial risks and I think equity should be based on that. Partying all the time is not a bad idea if you love it.

How do they pay their bills with 'no pay'. The trust fund?

It's risk/reward. Let's say it takes you 2-3 years of savings to save up enough to live 1 year without a salary. If you're committed to your startup you could take no pay at all to try to start your business. It's risky, some would say foolish, but that's why you have the upside of all the equity. Once you start offering someone enough of a salary to get by, even if it's less than market price, they still don't have as much skin in the game as someone "risking it all." I'm not saying you should risk it all, I'm just saying some founders choose to.

Re: Explore Salaries and Equity at AngelList

#56

Quite surprising that not a single job opening has listed Perl as a skill requirement. Is there really zero demand for Perl programmers from new start-ups?

Is there really zero demand for Perl programmers from new start-ups?

It's in great demand at one of my clients, but I can't even mention the name of the business entity for contractual reasons.

Re: Explore Salaries and Equity at AngelList

#57
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According to Glassdoor: Sr. Software Engineer at Google, on average (sample size of 189) make $145K on average with $63K bonus for $200K per annum. So for an average equity of 1.125% for developer (according to angel.co) and average salary of $93K, a startup has to make a non-diluted exit of 8.56 mil on the first year, 17.1 mil on the second year and 25.6 mil in the third year to justify the opportunity cost. Of cour…

That's not taking into account other important factors: * Work on a new potentially game-changing product as part of the founding team * Join a small team where you'lll have more say in the production direction and company growth * Opportunity to grow responsibilities as the company grows * Gain startup experience and expand your network * Potential huge upside you'll never get at $150K/year + $50K bonus balanced by…

The first three and half of the fourth can be had at Google, though perhaps not to the same degree.

Re: Explore Salaries and Equity at AngelList

#58

According to Glassdoor: Sr. Software Engineer at Google, on average (sample size of 189) make $145K on average with $63K bonus for $200K per annum. So for an average equity of 1.125% for developer (according to angel.co) and average salary of $93K, a startup has to make a non-diluted exit of 8.56 mil on the first year, 17.1 mil on the second year and 25.6 mil in the third year to justify the opportunity cost. Of cour…

Those numbers don't take into account vesting. Assuming vesting 25% per year with no acceleration on change of control, the exit must be around $38M for any year 1-4. Assumning 20% equity dilution every year, the number goes up to $45M by year four.

Re: Explore Salaries and Equity at AngelList

#60

According to Glassdoor: Sr. Software Engineer at Google, on average (sample size of 189) make $145K on average with $63K bonus for $200K per annum. So for an average equity of 1.125% for developer (according to angel.co) and average salary of $93K, a startup has to make a non-diluted exit of 8.56 mil on the first year, 17.1 mil on the second year and 25.6 mil in the third year to justify the opportunity cost. Of cour…

glassdoor is inaccurate for google. 200k / yr is too low for a Sr Software Eng. The all in comp is quite a bit higher. And there are a lot of engineers who make a lot more than this...
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