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Post by larsmak »

sharkweek wrote: post #38
kerryfalk wrote: post #30

? I, too, am short. I'm 5'6". I have always worked on teams with people much older than me (seems like a 15-20 year average). When I was in my early 20s and in sales selling high dollar value equipment I recognized that my age wasn't going to help. It took a few moments to dispel that once I began talking with someone as I just needed to overcome the view that I was inexperienced (As that would be associated with my…

>We all face challenges and each are unique to us. Completely random musing, but it reminded me of my height being disadvantageous when in perspective: I'm a pretty tall guy, a little above 6'4", and have an extremely large reach -- Also a pretty avid rock climber. I can rarely climb at my gym without someone commenting about how it must be so nice to be able to just "reach" for all the holds. Ignoring the fact that…

I'm a sports-climber my-self (around 5'10" and average I guess). What people forget is that as length increases in two dimensions, weight increases in three. Also the top climbers tends to be sub 5'10", but idk, it's all about having fun and compete against yourself!

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Post by graeme »

corporalagumbo wrote: post #110
graeme wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an anecdote: I'm 5'6", and I don't think this has been a barrier to anything. I've had to be more careful about my appearance, of course. My clothes fit well, I'm lean, and I work out. Despite my diminutive stature, men get out of my way, because I look strong and I walk confidently. Men didn't do this until I got strong. I get looks from girls all the time. They don't seem to care that I'm in about the 2nd percen…

How much does it matter to you that you're taken seriously? Does it satisfy you that you intimidate other men and get attention from women?

I don't go out of my way to intimidate men. It's a side effect.

It's also an example of how short =! disrespected, as OP was implying.

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Post by fghh45sdfhr3 »

tucson wrote: post #104
anonymous wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a common misconception. Making fun of nazism is allowed. Spreading propaganda that nazism is the best thing since sliced bread is not.

> "Making fun of nazism is allowed." Making jokes using the word "Nazi" is common in America and England but is not well received by German people. I would recommend not making this type of jokes in Germany.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xnNhzgcWTk

Re: Pixels don’t care

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Post by mvleming »

corporalagumbo wrote: post #116
mvleming wrote: post #44

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I never thought about it in that way, and that is interesting. It's like the more we have the opportunity to not look human, we take that opportunity to look more human. But, thinking about it, it makes sense. It's personifying what society has deemed as the perfect image. In response to your comment, I think you just need to give culture time to experiment with new ideas when new opportunities rise up. I've actually…

>personifying what society has deemed as the perfect image. Ugh, social construction theory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_aesthetics

You think the duckface is an aesthetic quality we've evolved to have a taste for?

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Post by bhaak »

tucson wrote: post #104
anonymous wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a common misconception. Making fun of nazism is allowed. Spreading propaganda that nazism is the best thing since sliced bread is not.

> "Making fun of nazism is allowed." Making jokes using the word "Nazi" is common in America and England but is not well received by German people. I would recommend not making this type of jokes in Germany.

Depends on the German. I know Germans that are faster in telling Nazi jokes than I am. :-)

Of course, only do that with those you know well enough. For the rest, the Fawlty Towers advice is golden.

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Post by tankorsmash »

corporalagumbo wrote: post #110
graeme wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an anecdote: I'm 5'6", and I don't think this has been a barrier to anything. I've had to be more careful about my appearance, of course. My clothes fit well, I'm lean, and I work out. Despite my diminutive stature, men get out of my way, because I look strong and I walk confidently. Men didn't do this until I got strong. I get looks from girls all the time. They don't seem to care that I'm in about the 2nd percen…

How much does it matter to you that you're taken seriously? Does it satisfy you that you intimidate other men and get attention from women?

I'm pretty sure anyone would not be too upset if that suddenly started happening.

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Post by watt »

anonymous wrote: post #97
sneak wrote: post #90

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I secretly cringed after that time we were in Berlin and I told that terrible "Have you guys... SEEN KYLE??! (He's about this tall.)" joke. (For those that don't know it, you extend your right arm out, palm down, horizontally, while saying the last part loudly.) It wasn't until after I'd said it that a) I realized that it was totally and absolutely illegal to tell there and b) that I was calling attention to the heig…

That's a common misconception. Making fun of nazism is allowed. Spreading propaganda that nazism is the best thing since sliced bread is not.

"seen kyle" might fall on the wrong side of "making fun of nazism" line however. To reiterate, it is illegal to make the Nazi salute in Germany. It is possible however to use the nazi salute in ironic/mocking way, but you would get arrested and the court would decide what is what. Few people have tried to make this defense, but ended up losing.

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Post by mnicole »

corporalagumbo wrote: post #113
mnicole wrote: post #36

Echoing the article and everyone else that this was an issue for me as well. I had an interview at a small-town agency once with the two owners. They talked to me for awhile, and then walked out of the room to speak privately. When they came back, one of them said he loved my work and he'd hire me today, but his co-founder wasn't comfortable with hiring someone "so young without any formal education" and wanted me to…

Or perhaps instead of trying to fight their age to project a defensive false equivalence with older workers, these kids are embracing and flaunting their age as a virtue - their precocity, enthusiasm, even naivety. You said it yourself - you look kindly on young kids with the balls to show off something cool they've made on HN. It's natural as an older person to feel charitable towards earnest kids, so what's wrong w…

My issue isn't with their passion or desire; that's great. But I'm hiring people based on talent, not age or even enthusiasm, and I question the intent/presumption in citing that attribute alone before even seeing their work. It's the same argument about the worth of college [in certain fields]; does it really matter in the context of the role?

I've also seen 25 year olds use it to describe themselves, so at what point are you still "young"?

I'd assume this is the same reason people don't like seeing ages in ShowHNs, because it implies that it's some sort of accomplishment rather than simply a fact. I enjoy seeing pet projects "kids" do, and a lot of ShowHNs are really just advertising and attempts to get some users, when usually most of the younger audience is just getting their work in front of real developers to get a feel for the quality, usefulness and receive general advice on how to do better. It boils down to - are you being sold on a product or are you being asked for a critique?

My opinion only comes from my experience; I started working at 15 when my vocational school realized that I was beyond their training and put me up for work-based learning. Most of the adults I interacted with in the spaces I worked in (both design and development) did not take me seriously despite my work ethic, my skills, and my enthusiasm. I begged to be in client meetings and was denied because "they wanted the clients to take them seriously", I offered faster solutions to the roundabout ways we were doing certain things and was patted on the head and told to stick to my duties. My genuine interest into the sales and communication sides of the businesseses were brushed off.

I didn't mention it in the previous post, but I would also say my gender had a lot to do with it. While I couldn't be in client meetings, I was asked to come in an hour early to make the 'boys' coffee. I wouldn't be interacting with clients at all, but I was expected to wear skirts.

There's also a lot of kids that dial it in, so it's tough to tell someone that they should hire more fresh faces when you've gotta weigh who is there for the experience vs. who is there for the paycheck.

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Post by corporalagumbo »

mvleming wrote: post #124
corporalagumbo wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>personifying what society has deemed as the perfect image. Ugh, social construction theory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_aesthetics

You think the duckface is an aesthetic quality we've evolved to have a taste for?

What? No. I think the aesthetic features which most accurately signal good health, strength and fertility, which humans throughout history have consistently opted for in mate selection, are what we have evolved tastes for. I.e. we have evolved aesthetic preferences which have consistently construed reproductive benefits.

Re: Pixels don’t care

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Post by corporalagumbo »

treerock wrote: post #118
corporalagumbo wrote: post #117

It's a perspective thing. I think he missed an alternate reaction to his position. He could have been pleased with the money he was paid, honoured by the responsibility he was given, and driven to do the best he could. Instead he spent most of his time feeling hard done by. That's the kind of attitude problem that people pick up on when they consider people for a position - will this guy work his ass off for me? Oh,…

This is an attitude that employers work hard to cultivate. I don't think it's healthy for workers to 'work his ass off' for a company that isn't willing to reward those efforts. It's a weakness and employers will take advantage.

But he was being rewarded, no? And I imagine at a pretty damn good pay rate for someone so young and untested. and he was given a fantastic door into a high-power field. But he had to fixate on the fact that he was "only" getting X rather than Y. He had an opportunity to be thankful for what he was getting, but he chose to focus on the negative instead.

a company that isn't willing to reward those efforts.

What I'm talking about is not some sort of self-sacrifice, selling yourself into corporate slavery. It's the basics of what I would look for in an employee - is he going to work hard, do it without complaining - is he going to make my life easier or harder? Unfortunately people with a notably entitled what's-in-it-for-me attitude only make employer's lives more difficult.

Not saying that that's for sure what this guy was like btw, but that's the impression I get.

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