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For 40 Years, This Russian Family Was Cut Off From All Human Contact
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Re: For 40 Years, This Russian Family Was Cut Off From All Human Contact
#52Dick Proenneke ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Proenneke ) did something similar in Alaska. He lived alone, but brought supplies in, had a wood stove, a rifle, and even spent the occasional winter in civilization. He wrote a book about his first couple years: http://www.amazon.com/One-Mans-Wilderness-Alaskan-Odyssey/dp... It suffers a little from some heavy editing, but is very interesting. There's also a vide…
As did a man named Sylvan Hart. In the 1930s escaped the Great Depression by settling in north-central Idaho and lived out his days there alone until his death in 1980. He put his engineering education to good use, mining ore and smelting it to make tools, as well as hunting and farming to sustain himself.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1...
Re: For 40 Years, This Russian Family Was Cut Off From All Human Contact
#53Lacking guns and even bows, they could hunt only by digging traps or pursuing prey across the mountains until the animals collapsed from exhaustion. It's interesting that they stumbled on the persistence hunting technique so naturally. Indirect evidence to support the Endurance running hypothesis ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endurance_running_hypothesis ).
Whoever is interested, here are two very good academic articles about persistent hunting (subscription required): http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/508695 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0047248408... Also, here is a video of a modern persistent hunter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=826HMLoiE_o
It also reminded me of this, an old episode of This American Life:
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/80/ru...
Re: For 40 Years, This Russian Family Was Cut Off From All Human Contact
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ouch. Trying to recruit church followers? A bit cavalier with that description I feel. "With a great big bow to request of all: I need a man as an assistant, one whom I will not survive, [who] lives so not good, with weeks of being alone. Do not leave me for Christ's sake. Have mercy upon a wretched orphan, who is in trouble [and] suffering."
Both you and greghinch seem to have a very negative association with that word. Maybe having grown up in the church, I don't see that word from the same angle as the two of you.
Well removing the emotion it's just a very inaccurate way to describe what appears to be happening.
Re: For 40 Years, This Russian Family Was Cut Off From All Human Contact
#55Dick Proenneke ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Proenneke ) did something similar in Alaska. He lived alone, but brought supplies in, had a wood stove, a rifle, and even spent the occasional winter in civilization. He wrote a book about his first couple years: http://www.amazon.com/One-Mans-Wilderness-Alaskan-Odyssey/dp... It suffers a little from some heavy editing, but is very interesting. There's also a vide…
The documentary is called "Alone in the Wilderness" - I highly, highly recommend it. His woodworking skills are hard to imagine.
Part 2 was just released in 2012, and PBS have said they will release Part 3 this year or next.
Outwardly it sounds like he lived a lonely existence, though in part 2 we learn his brother was a bush pilot in Alaska, and they would spend summers together flying around, camping and hiking.
Dick also received many visitors at his cabin.
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#56"When the warm days do arrive, though, the taiga blooms, and for a few short months it can seem almost welcoming." Hahaha. This guy has no idea what he's talking about. As someone who has been in the taiga in the summer, it's absolutely horrible. The air is alive with mosquitoes. There are clouds of them around you 24/7. The place is just permafrost and swamps. It's really pretty, but a miserable place to live. That'…
Which is welcoming compared to winter. Trust me, when summer finally comes and there are actual green things an animals and berries around, mosquitoes can be tolerated
(I live above 60 degrees north - it's well past -40 here today)
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#57"When the warm days do arrive, though, the taiga blooms, and for a few short months it can seem almost welcoming." Hahaha. This guy has no idea what he's talking about. As someone who has been in the taiga in the summer, it's absolutely horrible. The air is alive with mosquitoes. There are clouds of them around you 24/7. The place is just permafrost and swamps. It's really pretty, but a miserable place to live. That'…
Despite having grown up and lived in Michigan my whole life I only just now realized that the more-northern parts of the state are considered taiga.
Re: For 40 Years, This Russian Family Was Cut Off From All Human Contact
#58It would be cool to isolate yourself just to return and be blown away by all the technological advancements made. Probably not worth it overall though.
I spent two years camping and hiking in remote parts of Central and South America, and on the plane on the way home I genuinely thought I was looking at the future when I saw my first iPad.
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#59It's absolutely astonishing to me that there could still be people out there, even in what's termed wilderness, who have never encountered the modernities of the society we inhabit - that for an all but unknown few the world is still just what lies outside their front door. I feel true sadness for the Lykov's, being 'discovered', then somewhat forced by the intrusion of others to be aware of their greater surrounding…
There's a show in France called 'Rendez-vous en terres inconnues' where they get celebrities to "isolated" tribes/groups (polar ring, deep jungle, desert, etc). Paradoxically, often, their lifestyle is not grown out of ignorance or isolation, they chose it. They do interact with our societies, but don't merge. The funniest part to me was how easy it was for them to catch up with us, like using a cellphone quickly bec…
"Very sad that they're blinded by shiny things and desensitized to their own treasures."
Seems to me this applies for people living in civilization, as they again and again leave it to live as noble savages. Looks a lot like "grass will always be greener on the other side".
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whoever is interested, here are two very good academic articles about persistent hunting (subscription required): http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/508695 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0047248408... Also, here is a video of a modern persistent hunter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=826HMLoiE_o
It also reminded me of this, an old episode of This American Life: http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/80/ru...
Nice. I remember that myself.