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Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by Silhouette »

radiac wrote: post #175
bradgessler wrote: post #71

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I wouldn't argue that its "clever". Its a direct and honest way of asking people to pay for Sublime Text. I'm happy to pay Jon as long as he keeps cranking out fast, high-quality software. Think of it as a subscription where you still own the software if you want to get out of it.

It's not a direct and honest way of asking people to pay for Sublime Text - it's an indirect way of asking people to continue to pay for something they thought they'd already bought. I paid for Sublime Text 2 with the expectation of continued support of the quality we had during beta, but instead we have waited months for bug fixes which have never arrived. ST2 was essentially abandoned after it left beta, and now we…

I paid for Sublime Text 2 with the expectation of continued support of the quality we had during beta, but instead we have waited months for bug fixes which have never arrived.

Rationally, as a software guy, this seems somehow unfair. After all, even as it was launched and without any further changes, ST2 is a good product at a low price.

But the reality is that I feel the same way as radiac. When I chose to spend real money on a text editor -- not exactly a field where the free competition is lacking -- I did so because I wanted to support and encourage a project that did seem to have a lot of nice little touches and did seem to keep coming out with them. The obvious and abrupt end of the stream of incremental updates the moment ST2 went final does irritate me.

Unfortunately, contrary to the post I just read about how stable ST2 is, I have seen irritating crashes that stopped me using it for some work, and I haven't seen a bug fix even for that, nor any other improvement since I sent the money. I probably won't pay for ST3 at this point, because at least now I've figured out what does crash ST2 and how to avoid it, and fairly or otherwise, the assumption in the back of my mind is going to be that ST3 might make a few minor improvements of the kind we used to get anyway, but if it has any sort of crash or data loss bugs they won't get fixed.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by lttlrck »

mikevm wrote: post #97
tomlu wrote: post #57

I am disappointed to see that Vintage mode hasn't really been touched at all for this edition. It's what is holding myself (and likely others) back from switching away from Vim. Unfortunately, development of Vintage mode seems to have stopped (the repository hasn't changed for about six months).

As someone who only used IDE debuggers all his (short) programming career, I was wondering, how do you debug without a visual debugger? I've seen how GDB works, and debugging this way seems much less productive. You don't see your whole source code, and you don't constantly see the values of watched or local variables, etc... Is there a different debugger you use for this task when developing using only a text editor…

When I moved from Windows to Linux development I was concerned how that would affect me. Turns out not so much, I just don't debug as much on Linux :) IDE debuggers make it far too easy to press F5 and see what happens, make a change, press F5 etc without really thinking about what's happening. Iterative coding gone bad. The only time I use GDB is for the occasional segfault that I can't figure out from back-stepping a few revisions, and it always nails it (which is more than can be said for MSVC)

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by Silhouette »

jcoby wrote: post #293
johncoltrane wrote: post #209

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I've tried it when the first public ST2 builds were released. I kept downloading new builds from time to time out of curiosity but I ended up removing it definetely a while ago. What I liked: well, I didn't actually like anything beside the ease of modifying/adding keybindings. Some of what I didn't like: * The whole UI felt wrong from alpha to omega and overly gimmicky: the whole thing relied too much on the mouse a…

The UI looks very much like a programmer wrote it. But I can ignore the gradients and the Soda UI theme makes it look more like a native app. But the find panel is the sole reason I cannot use ST2. Every time I bring it up I can't remember what button does what. And then I get stuck in the panel and have to click to get rid of it. Or hit escape. But if I hit escape before hitting enter it assumes I didn't want to sea…

Agreed, the find and replace UI in ST2 is extremely frustrating. The essential functionality is all there, but the changing behaviour of different keys depending on context drives me crazy, particularly the way you need enter vs. escape to get back to editing, and the meanings of F3 and Shift+F3 swapping depending on whether your last search was forward or backward. Also, it's silly that you seem to need to mess around with the mouse to change basic find options like case sensitivity or using regexes, and to set the locations affected when finding/replacing across files. Tidying up the keyboard shortcuts in this area would bring a huge benefit in usability for a relatively small change in behaviour, IMHO.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by pkulak »

shanelja wrote: post #205
mattmanser wrote: post #178

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Here's what I'd love someone to organize: A Kickstarter campaign to raise enough money to pay Microsoft to make Windows open-source. If Windows becomes open-source, that solves one of the biggest issues many people have with Windows, especially those coming from a Linux background. This is something I know I would pay for, and I believe others would as well.

Here's what I'd love someone to organize: A Kickstarter campaign to raise enough money to pay The Government to make Everything Free. If Everything becomes free, that solves one of the biggest issues many people have with The Government, especially those coming from a Poor background. This is something I know I would pay for, and I believe others would as well. Anything sounds ridiculous at scale

I think paying to open source SublimeText is a bit more ridiculous than paying the government. SublimeText is a license to print money at this point. It's the _default_ editor for just about every (non-bearded) engineer and costs $60 (soon, $70). The government, after all, is just a representation of its people. If the people want communism, then that's what happens.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by lsllc »

pretoriusB wrote: post #113
georgemcbay wrote: post #35

I'm a Sublime Text 2 owner, but the continued lack of a Linux/ARM build nor any announced plans for the same mean I won't be upgrading. It is a shame because I like the editor a lot, but if it doesn't work on all the platforms I use it ultimately has zero value to me.

> I'm a Sublime Text 2 owner, but the continued lack of a Linux/ARM build nor any announced plans for the same mean I won't be upgrading. Damn! There goes the whole of the Linux/ARM community!

Nope, I'll be upgrading! ST2 is great (even without ARM support). But I'll second the request for an ARM/Linux version. I just got my ARM Chromebook set up with Chrubuntu and I'm already missing ST2 (using Emacs for now ...).

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by 0x09 »

jacques_chester wrote: post #8

> OSX: 10.7 or later is required Looks like I might have to bite the upgrade bullet this year.

Seems like the reason is no default libc++ install... which sucks because libc++ can be installed on 10.6 just fine.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by jvm »

xentronium wrote: post #160
jvm wrote: post #104

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Sheesh okay I'm sorry! I thought it was funny, never do it again, etc...

The text is kinda funny, but it appears in every thread about text editors, so people probably grew tired of that joke.

Sorry I am obviously new here.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by jvm »

oomkiller wrote: post #127
jvm wrote: post #102

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The initial version of ML was terrible on my 2008 MBP but they made performance enhancements and now 10.8.2 works fine. Spending $50 for gb/RAM didn't hurt of course (best investment of my life btw).

You must not have an SSD yet. I highly recommend them.

Yeah I was checking them out when I was getting my RAM, I'm just on the fence on how long I want to keep this computer.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by bsg75 »

RobSim wrote: post #3

I was getting worried development was dead because of no blog posts since before the summer, great news!

JPS could do a better job of keeping in touch with the community, if only to post "I am still alive" from time to time. So many similar projects have dies on the vine that when an author goes very quiet for an extended period of time, its a bit troublesome.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by perishabledave »

SquareWheel wrote: post #156
toast76 wrote: post #106

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It's $30. What sort of development are you doing that isn't worth $30 for the single tool that allows you to do it? I can't imagine carpenters are incensed when Ryobi brings out a new $300 drill. You either buy the new drill, or you keep the old one. Nobody expects new hardware for free, why software?

"What sort of development are you doing that isn't worth $30 for the single tool that allows you to do it?" I do light programming, mostly web stuff. Sublime certainly isn't the only tool that allows me to edit code, I used Notepad++ for years, and I'm sure there's a dozen other options. I also just use it as a regular old notepad. I suppose what I'm saying is my expectation was that for a premium tool, I would be su…

It's not uncommon; Visual Studio's release cycle is around every two years.

To work out the math a bit, say the developer is looking to make 70k a year (which is quite low IMO, especially if you are self employed). If his release cycle is every two years, he needs to make 140k over one version. At $59 for S2, thats around 2400 sold copies over two years. Not a small number for a product that is tailored to such a niche market. Also considering that there comes a point where the purchases trail off, so the developer needs to find a way to sustain an income. Upgrades seem like a very reasonable way to do that.

With S3, if the developer wanted to offer a reasonable way to allow S2 owners to upgrade at a discount, it comes at a loss of income for the next two years. Given that the amount of people who would buy the editor have already bought S2, so the pool of possible purchasers decreases. So it seems like a reasonable balance to allow that discounted upgrade, while increasing the full price to make up for the loss of new purchasers.

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