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Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by zzzmarcus »

dtf wrote: post #103
tomlu wrote: post #57

I am disappointed to see that Vintage mode hasn't really been touched at all for this edition. It's what is holding myself (and likely others) back from switching away from Vim. Unfortunately, development of Vintage mode seems to have stopped (the repository hasn't changed for about six months).

What's noticeably missing from Vintage for you? I'm also Vim user who has considered jumping to Sublime several times, but never quite managed to achieve escape velocity. (Though I hadn't realised until now that the Vintage package is an open repository)

For me it's the flexibility of window splits. In Vim I use both vertical and horizontal splits constantly, sometimes having 6 open at a time to deal with, for example, a Rails model, controller and view along with a CSS and JavaScript file and associated tests. Sublime has some window splitting but compared to Vim (or Emacs) it is pretty weak. If that is ever changed I'd consider switching.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by phlyingpenguin »

tomlu wrote: post #121
dtf wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's noticeably missing from Vintage for you? I'm also Vim user who has considered jumping to Sublime several times, but never quite managed to achieve escape velocity. (Though I hadn't realised until now that the Vintage package is an open repository)

While a couple of things are missing, mostly it's that things don't work properly. Some random things off the top of my head: * No block cursor (the block cursor plugin doesn't really work) * When you switch between files, it keeps jumping back to insert mode, but you don't immediately notice (especially since there is no block cursor). There's a setting, but I've never been able to make it work. * Autocomplete and t…

While I agree that vintage lacks some refinement, the source for the plugin is sitting in your sublime directory and is fairly easy to hack on. Things like the one-off cursors are fairly easy to fix. I'm not sure what you mean about switching files; I don't notice that particular problem. Do you have '"vintage_start_in_command_mode": true' set in your config?

As far as a vim-style editing plugin goes, vintage has by far been the best I've encountered. It's one of the few where it's fairly straightforward to add in the hacky things I've done to vim and still get a similar experience.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by nkozyra »

sebilasse wrote: post #78
hcarvalhoalves wrote: post #52

Are these changes really worth the "3.0" tag? Goto to symbol is great, but all other bullet points taste like what I expected 2 to have once it left beta (basically, speed and not letting plugins crash my session). Isn't this a clever way to make users buy into a paid upgrade for a stable version of an editor they already bought?

i pay 30$ every month for SAAS apps that provide even less value.

I'm not sure "I waste money in even more ridiculous ways" is necessarily a good defense.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by thoughtcriminal »

benjaminwootton wrote: post #124
josteink wrote: post #116

I tried using Sublime text and it's a great editor, extensible and moldable, but I just keep coming back to emacs since that is always available wherever I am, logged in via ssh. A ssh/text-only version of sublime text would be interesting ;)

This point shouldn't be understates. Currently I use a mixture of Sublime, Intellij, emacs, and VI, on Windows, Linux, and OSX. I'm sure this hurts my flow. As I started off with Emacs, I would love to return it to it for this reason. However, I've never been able to smoothly recreate two or three of the features that I need, despite spending hours playing around with different plugins. 1) For Dynamic language develo…

Why not make your own text editor, then sell it. I'll bet ST is raking in millions. Get a piece of that action.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by petercooper »

theallan wrote: post #195
pbreit wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that a reasonable comparison? No.

Why not? Its the same principle just a question of scale.

I tried that one on a gun nut with no luck. "If you think it's your right to own and carry a gun, then why don't you think North Korea should be allowed to have its own nukes?"

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by petercooper »

Torn wrote: post #171
thoughtcriminal wrote: post #165

Version 3 is probably where I get off the ST upgrade train and just settle for version 2/3 beta. I like ST, and it serves my needs well enough, but I already paid $59 for this software and that's enough for a text editor. Paying yet another $30 isn't worth it for me, especially when I didn't ask for these upgrades.

Oh, is it not 'buy once, free upgrades for life'? That's a little disappointing, still, I'm happy with the money I paid for ST 2.

I'd have agreed until I experienced TextMate. Everything basically ground to a halt for years. I know not everyone is fuelled by money but I suspect if it had been more of a priority, updates would have been more frequent.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by sudhirj »

thejosh wrote: post #85
hcarvalhoalves wrote: post #52

Are these changes really worth the "3.0" tag? Goto to symbol is great, but all other bullet points taste like what I expected 2 to have once it left beta (basically, speed and not letting plugins crash my session). Isn't this a clever way to make users buy into a paid upgrade for a stable version of an editor they already bought?

Well considering the large development in terms of plugins and this is currently a BETA, we'll have to wait and see how many new features come out with ST3 to justify the 3 tag. Or it can become a Firefox and have ST18 in a couple of years.... ;-)

Might be worth pointing out that the version number is no longer on the application name. There was "Sublime Text 2" and now there's just "Sublime Text".

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by akirk »

nkozyra wrote: post #233
sebilasse wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i pay 30$ every month for SAAS apps that provide even less value.

I'm not sure "I waste money in even more ridiculous ways" is necessarily a good defense.

I think it is a valid point. If it provides the value to you.

I don't get these price discussions. If you earn your money by programming, I think it is crazy to be cheap on your tools if you can get the job better done using them.

If you program occasionally, then use some free open source editor.

People on construction sites don't use the cheapest tools available for a reason. If you use it to earn money, you shouldn't be short sighted.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by akirk »

grundprinzip wrote: post #200

I personally find the 70$ price tag rather high for a text editor. However, this is not my main issue For this premium price I do not only expect features but as well documentation and if you are a plugin developer the current ST2 documentation is just plain bad because it misses too much. In addition, even though ST2 is highly configurable nowhere are all the options explained that you can use and manually set. I fi…

Did you once do a calculation of the price as to the percentage of the money it costs in relation to the money you generate using this tool?

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by markstahler »

I hope that some of this increase in price is used to support Package Control from wbond. Certainly Package Control has contributed to the usefulness of Sublime.

Myself having registered less than a year ago, thinks this update is a little premature. Users in the official forums have been worried for months that development had stalled and all of the sudden an announcement of a paid update for seemingly incremental features? Are we to expect a beta period similar to ST2 or will be be expected to pay for what seems should be a minor release? I for one expected at least 2 years of support for my ST2 purchase. Coupled with the increase in price (which now compares to JetBrains IDEs) I see much fewer reasons to upgrade and/or recommend this to others.

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