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Re: VMware to cut 900 jobs

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Go figure; company goes public, company goes stagnant. Seems like a common theme in the industry.

I firmly believe that as any group of people gets larger, they get collectively slower and collectively stupider. Sure you can try to mitigate the rate at which it happens, but it always seems to happen.

but it makes sense. The innovation a company does is related to the average capability of the company (as it must, since its people who are innovating, and last i checked, innovation isn't some standard process like flipping burgers that can be replicated with anyone).

As the size of a company grows the average capability must tend towards the average of the population. I must say that can't be very high, and so you see the results here. Some companies have strict hiring standards, but i think eventually, pressure to hire more people end up costing them the quality.

Not sure if there is a solution, other than to keep the working unit tiny and independent.

Re: VMware to cut 900 jobs

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I tried to set our office servers up using VMWare virtualisation stuff a couple of months ago. It was a struggle finding out what I needed, then finding a way to pay for it, then finding out I'd bought the wrong thing. They have so many versions of the same product, slightly renamed, with slightly different features - which isn't totally apparent. They seem to have renamed products, but have the old version of the pr…

When VMWare was forced into buying the EMC RMSG group, they took on board a whole bunch of disparate software suites they didn't know what to do with.

Perhaps some history might help. EMC originally decided that as they were able to buy a lot of other storage companies and make these acquisitions work, they would do the same thing to be known as leaders in the "enterprise management" space - all so they could sell more storage.

The market apparently was screaming out for a CMDB at the time, so their first acquisition was System Management Arts (SMARTS), which handled event management quite cleverly. Only... it didn't populate the CMDB as well as the market wanted, so EMC then decided to purchase nLayers, which was a network discovery appliance. Then they realised that network discovery alone does not make a CMDB. With this insight, they decided to buy infra, an Australian company that did IT Service Management, with a particular focus around the ITIL framework.

Well what do you know, but Infra might do workflows and ticketing, but it doesn't actually control or automate actual configuration management. Thusly, they decided to remedy this by shortly thereafter purchasing Voyence.

They actually bought a few more companies, but these were the main four.

So at this point, you have at least four separate products, all developed on different architectures with different goals in mind, each of which wasn't talking to each other very well. SMARTS has its own proprietary scripting language and is built on a Java front end, with hooks into Perl. nLayers is a network appliance that runs on some sort of RedHat distribution and is put together with Perl, Apache, tcpdump and an inbuilt Oracle server. infra is a Windows based system that was, when they bought it, only jst running on .NET 2.0 and IIS, with SQL Server and Oracle back ends, with a front end based on (ugh) ActiveX. And Voyence... Well, not rightly sure what Voyence is built on.

In other words, totally different development teams, all basically startups that were dynamic and successful in their own right, each having been shoe-horned into a massive hardware company that has no real clue about software or how to develop or support it, and each largely under the radar of the larger EMC.

So they decide to write some "glue" software to allow all the discovery software to talk to each other. They call this DataCentre Insight (DCI). They have high hopes to do something, allow for mashups and REST based APIs.

Well, this doesn't work. There are a lot of disgruntled employees because the RMSG group is so poorly run. A lot of these companies aren't based in Boston (in fact, they are often in different countries), but Boston decides it knows better how to run the companies. As is the way of these things, the clueless managers start strangling the life out of the smaller companies. Eventually, the guy who went on an acquisition spree, he "leaves".

A new guy comes in. He decides to base the group around Infra, and rebadges all the product names to "Ionix" (rumour has it the original name was something else - Urinix - but Joe Tucci looked at in Word, found spell-checker came up with "urinate" as a suggestion and promptly nixed it). All brand awareness was dumped, nobody knew what suite was what and it was a marketing disaster.

So then DCI was dumped, things kept going downhill, and eventually the new guy, along with another higher up brought in to fix the mess that was Ionix, stitched up a deal to foist the Ionix suite onto VMware. Of course, they keep SMARTS! Probably the best of the bunch because they needed it for certain storage technologies, like ControlCentre.

Well, the VMware guys can't have been too impressed, especially given some of thir new offerings were going to overlap (such as with AppSpeed).

After this point, no idea what happened. It was basically a big mess, caused by stupidity, cultural arrogance by a massive hardware company where cronyism was rife and innovation struggled. But it was largely caused by EMC management.

There are, of course, a lot of other products in the VMware stable, but this should give you some insight into how EMC interferes in VMware. It's a pity, VMWare is a good company!

Re: VMware to cut 900 jobs

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I expected posts like this to come flooding in. Posts by people who think virtualisation starts and ends with your efforts to get Ubuntu or Windows running in Virtualbox. Posts by people who have no idea what virtualisation in the enterprise is. This post should be on 'shit HN says' but without the context it won't make any sense.

well, what is virtualization in the enterprise? would you care to enlighten the rest of us?

Basically a single physical server running 10's to 100's of virtualized servers. With all the management challenges that entails.

Re: VMware to cut 900 jobs

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post #73
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well, what is virtualization in the enterprise? would you care to enlighten the rest of us?

Basically a single physical server running 10's to 100's of virtualized servers. With all the management challenges that entails.

I've seen this but with farms / clusters of hundreds of servers.

Somewhat different to some home user sticking Ubuntu on his virtualbox....

Re: VMware to cut 900 jobs

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Is there a way out of the perpetual claim against my livelihood? Yes. Leave. Every minute you spend still here, you're re-signing the social contract. If you don't want to support the upkeep for the society you've chosen to participate in, and continue to choose to participate in with every action that isn't making for the door, then don't participate. You don't get to reap the benefits of living in a society without…

I'm not selfish, I want to be free. I'm not against working and helping the needy, those born mentally handicapped to the poor, for example; what I'm against is what I consider to be the false: Benefit begets claim. I am happy to help the poor, and I do help them beyond the actions of the state. The collective and violent claims by others stop my ability to leave since all habitable land is claimed. Furthermore, mayb…

> The collective and violent claims by others stop my ability to leave since all habitable land is claimed

Not true, Bir Tawil [1] is an 800 sq mile territory unclaimed by both of the countries which surround it - Egypt and Sudan. However I'm sure that after a short while there the infrastructure, public works, etc referenced by one of the parent posters will be sorely missed.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bir_Tawil

Re: VMware to cut 900 jobs

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will they keep antirez on?

Don't worry for Redis :-) Either some good company like VMware pays me to code it, or as long as it is very used as it is now, I'll learn how to pay my bills using Redis services or products. But one way or the other I'll continue to develop it full time as long as users like the final result and use it.

I'd like to say that I worried for you, not Redis, but honesty obliged me to admit that you're right.

That said, it's cool that companies like VMware pay people like you to do the things that people like you do. It certainly gives VMware a few upvotes in my book.

Re: VMware to cut 900 jobs

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According to a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission Monday, the company will be making a "planned exit of certain business lines" Anyone care to speculate about what these business lines are? The virtual network tech acquired with Nicira ?

I'd speculate they're selling SpringSource to maybe Oracle.

That would be very interesting given how JEE and Spring are so similar now. I would love Oracle to converge the both of them!

I think the sale of SpringSource to Oracle is unlikely though.

Re: VMware to cut 900 jobs

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post #64

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Don't worry for Redis :-) Either some good company like VMware pays me to code it, or as long as it is very used as it is now, I'll learn how to pay my bills using Redis services or products. But one way or the other I'll continue to develop it full time as long as users like the final result and use it.

I'd like to say that I worried for you, not Redis, but honesty obliged me to admit that you're right. That said, it's cool that companies like VMware pay people like you to do the things that people like you do. It certainly gives VMware a few upvotes in my book.

Oh thank you! I hope I'll be able to maintain the current setup as it is perfect for me, my family, and Redis, but well I'm prepared to changes if it they'll be needed. Cheers

Re: VMware to cut 900 jobs

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well, what is virtualization in the enterprise? would you care to enlighten the rest of us?

Basically a single physical server running 10's to 100's of virtualized servers. With all the management challenges that entails.

We're closer to the tens end, luckily. I think we run about 4 dozen servers total.

Re: VMware to cut 900 jobs

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Long time VMware employee here. While this is of course a sad event, it is not a reflection on the strength/weakness of VMware. Actually for a lot of my time here, we've had "carte blanche" in terms of hiring. The challenge was finding enough qualified people. I do think with the recent slew of acquisitions, the company may have grown too much too fast and is needing to reorganize hence this announcement. From what I…

When they bought SlideRocket it just fell dead in the water. Hell, I can't even add an RSS feed or embed some HTML. It's one of the top request from clients in the forum. (Paying client here. Sliderocket is great for out account managers doing presentations and keeping versions in sync).

Yeah agree that SlideRocket could be super useful.

There was a lot of excitement internally at the company towards using it but after the first few tries, many have given up in frustration and reverted back to PowerPoint.

I don't have any insight into the SlideRocket team to understand this lack of traction. My theory is that this was more of a whim acquisition on the part of the previous CEO and isn't going anywhere because it falls quite outside the core focus of the company.

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