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Pixels don’t care

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Re: Pixels don’t care

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I may be wrong but I think you missed the point. If "working together" is code for "we both have commit access to the same repo and the same functional test criteria and same target ship date" then it really doesn't matter at all if the person likes to work in their underwear and tell cat jokes since you're only interaction with them is going be through commits. In a strangely wonderful way, people who have condition…

> "since you're only interaction with them is going be through commits." I have had many jobs. I have never had one where the sole (or vast majority) of my interactions with people were via commits. I've even worked remotely, and Skype, IRC, IM were all critical. Personality and communication skills matter, even if you never see someone's face in person.

I'm not disagreeing, I'm saying that if you've never met someone face to face but you've worked successfully with them using IRC/IM/Email/Some-source-code-revision-system as your communication tool (as the original article Author implies) then meeting 'face to face' to get to know them may not be necessary.

Re: Pixels don’t care

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In interviews with agencies I've been told "You're not a designer" and "I hate personnel." In many cases the old agency curmudgeons are threatened by younger people with talent. This sounds like a similar example.

On the up side, this is an excellent indicator that you don't want to work for these people. There's always a better option.

Re: Pixels don’t care

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What a strange claim. "Looking back", he can't help but feel discriminated against due to his height. It couldn't possibly be because of his "no formal eduction, no experience with any big clients", could it?

Height is actually a weird one when people get fixated on it. I worked with a guy once who was about 5,5 but was absolutely obsessed with "height discrimination". He filtered everything that happened to him through that lens and it severely warped his view on reality and it kept him from addressing real issues that would have made him a more hireable employee.

I think we've all met people like you describe. But let's not tar the author with that either. What he describes does indeed happen all the time, and you don't need to invoke irrational discrimination to explain it: employers offer lower salaries to the young and inexperienced because they can (these people are hungrier, "need" the jobs more, and have fewer options) and because it saves them money. That's maybe not noble but it's not insane either. This may be especially true in the web development world which (to my eyes as a 41 year old systems hacker) is populated by a much larger fraction of young and inexperienced developers. Unless you're a true rockstar, there are a half dozen candidates just as good as you willing to take that job.

Re: Pixels don’t care

#34
This is one of the most transformative things of the Internet. It is also one of the most definite things I dislike about, say, the post 2005 closed web. Age/gender matters so much to people, even hackery types. It didn't seem to matter as much.

Re: Pixels don’t care

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If you look to history, you can see overtime we acquire new ways of changing ourselves. There was a time when there wasn't makeup, but nowadays people can use makeup and change their appearance. Same thing with dying your hair, getting a plastic surgery, or arguably even body building: by getting this down to a science, we can figure out how to best change our physique. But really, all of these methods are crude, really crude.

But I'm super excited about what the next of couple of decades will do change this. I think we're on the verge of being able to completely define ourselves, and I don't just mean in the sense of designer children, i.e. genetics. I'm also thinking more along the lines of augmented reality and new bionic bodies.

Even today, there is a woman, Aimee Mullins, who has prosthetic legs. In her TED talk (http://www.ted.com/talks/aimee_mullins_prosthetic_aesthetics...), she talked about how she could redesign her legs however she wanted. For example, she could be 6 inches taller, or when she did a fashion shoot, she could have cheetah legs: http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/b/3/17/452/1745283.... (NSFW?) At one point in the talk, a person from the audience shouted out "It's not fair!"

And this is epochal, right? This is just a sign of what's to come. You look at Second Life and you see these avatars people have designed for themselves, they have control over how big their chest is, what skin colour they are, height, whatever. I can't help but dream of that being extrapolated to the real world, where we have complete control over how we express ourselves physically. Everybody would feel comfortable in their skin, everybody would look super-sexy, and we would find radical new ways of expressing ourselves (personally I would love blue fur).

Now I know what some of you are thinking right now, isn't this really superficial? In Second Life we already see huge tits and perfect abs. In one sense, culture becomes magnified tremendously. The body almost becomes a blank canvas to extrapolate the mind onto. But also, it's not superficial at all, it's exactly the opposite.

Let me explain it by posing you this question: what defines you? I've thought long and hard about this, and I've come to the answer: you are defined by what you can't change. When OP can't change how tall he is, he's defined by that, especially so in his workplace. On the flip side, when you can change something about yourself, that is a means of expressing who you are. We can change the style and the colour of our hair, and this is a huge part of culture: just look at all those hair magazines.

So what we have here is you are defined by what you can't change and what you can change is a means of expressing who you are. But, and this is the point I'm trying to get at, when you can change something that you couldn't change before, what defines you becomes smaller. So when in the next couple of decades, when we can change our sex, skin colour, physique, species?, what will truly define us becomes an interesting question.

And it is in this sense how it is exactly the opposite of superficial.

There's a Buddha saying: "You are not your thoughts." And you are not your body either.

Re: Pixels don’t care

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Echoing the article and everyone else that this was an issue for me as well. I had an interview at a small-town agency once with the two owners. They talked to me for awhile, and then walked out of the room to speak privately. When they came back, one of them said he loved my work and he'd hire me today, but his co-founder wasn't comfortable with hiring someone "so young without any formal education" and wanted me to come back after I'd done so (haha, right). They actually bickered quite a bit between themselves on the issue right in front of me (which made me feel good), but settled on not giving me the gig. I went about my way, happier that I didn't have to put up with someone who cared more about paperwork than work on paper.

A few years later I was working at another agency where my art director was pleading with me not to go to college and to stay with the company (which, honestly I would have had it not been for the keylogger I found implemented by another manager). "School is a waste of time for talent," he said, "You'll be miserable. Stay here and do real work." Feeling like I'd rather see for myself than regret the opportunity, I went. It wasn't the private art schools I wanted (I couldn't afford something like that), so I ran into nothing but mediocrity and decade-old lesson plans. Underwhelmed, pissed, and broke, I went back to working.

Meanwhile, a girl I know that spent the better part of 10 years receiving design/multimedia degrees has little to show for it by way of skills. While she acquires jobs easily, she doesn't keep them for very long as her talents are so many years behind what people are expecting that she can't do what she wants to/what her degree seemed to "promise" her.

These days you'll see portfolios splattered with "~young designer~" or "~budding developer & entrepreneur~" and it completely goes against the spirit of being merited on your strengths rather than your accomplishments-by-age (ironically, I enjoy when kids/younger teens post their age in the titles of their ShowHNs). While it might make the kid feel more competent, acknowledging it is just asking to be underpaid because they know you won't know any better or inherently believe you aren't worth it.

Re: Pixels don’t care

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What a strange claim. "Looking back", he can't help but feel discriminated against due to his height. It couldn't possibly be because of his "no formal eduction, no experience with any big clients", could it?

He was 20, so he might still have not finished out his growth.

/speculation

Re: Pixels don’t care

#38

? I, too, am short. I'm 5'6". I have always worked on teams with people much older than me (seems like a 15-20 year average). When I was in my early 20s and in sales selling high dollar value equipment I recognized that my age wasn't going to help. It took a few moments to dispel that once I began talking with someone as I just needed to overcome the view that I was inexperienced (As that would be associated with my…

>We all face challenges and each are unique to us.

Completely random musing, but it reminded me of my height being disadvantageous when in perspective:

I'm a pretty tall guy, a little above 6'4", and have an extremely large reach --

Also a pretty avid rock climber. I can rarely climb at my gym without someone commenting about how it must be so nice to be able to just "reach" for all the holds. Ignoring the fact that I probably weigh 30 more pounds than my sub 6' climber buddies, most route setters at our gym are probably closer to 5'10" and set/grade the routes accordingly; I often end up using sub-optimal (and tiring) form on the "crux" of the route as I end up cramped together awkwardly.

Re: Pixels don’t care

#39

What a strange claim. "Looking back", he can't help but feel discriminated against due to his height. It couldn't possibly be because of his "no formal eduction, no experience with any big clients", could it?

If you have demonstrably great work, what does formal education do for you that will affect your work for some company? Similarly, if this guy isn't the one landing the client or dealing directly with them on a regular basis, how can the pixels possibly care about for whom they are assembled?

I read these parts of his anecdotes as excuses concocted only after an in-person meeting.

Re: Pixels don’t care

#40

If you look to history, you can see overtime we acquire new ways of changing ourselves. There was a time when there wasn't makeup, but nowadays people can use makeup and change their appearance. Same thing with dying your hair, getting a plastic surgery, or arguably even body building: by getting this down to a science, we can figure out how to best change our physique. But really, all of these methods are crude, rea…

The weird thing is, I've been in some of those avatar worlds, and people still want to look humanoidish, often outlandishly 'supermodel'. Almost no one actually experiments beyond that. It's weird when I recall cyberpunk short stories from the 80s where people had all these radically weird and different avatars. Why should we be confined by our minds to looking like supermodels, why shouldn't we look like some sort of... alien thing in cyber reality?

Not sure. But it'd be an interesting study.

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