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Bill Gates: My Plan to Fix The World's Biggest Problems

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Re: Bill Gates: My Plan to Fix The World's Biggest Problems

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Precisely what do you mean it "ends up being really condescending?" Let me tell you what I think you mean. I think you're attributing something happening inside your own head to the person you're reacting to. You're angry. The reason you're angry is that you have a bunch of arbitrary prejudices that have been set off by something you read. But you don't want to attribute your reaction to your own prejudices. So the o…

Not sure why you need a cognitive explanation for what, outside rightist establishments, is hardly a controversial sentiment. Western countries telling the rest of the world what to do is not only condescending; it repackages old imperial propagandas of improvement, development, dependency, etc., and serves to further entrench Western power abroad.

>Western countries telling the rest of the world what to do is

Bill Gates is not a Western country. He is a really smart guy who has proved himself pretty good at solving big problems by spending his own money. [1]

If you read the article, he actually criticizes aid linked to furthering political interests. All he is saying is "Aid and development programmes should use feedback to improve things they do." I can't think of a good reason why any one on hacker news who would disagree with such a simple, logical argument.

Are we so blinded by misdeeds of Western nations in the past that we want a man who has experience running some of the largest scale aid operations in the world to shut up and not talk about what he has learned just because he is a citizen of America and he is white?

[1] http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2012/01/12/bill-ga...

Re: Bill Gates: My Plan to Fix The World's Biggest Problems

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I am beyond disgusted with every negative poster in this thread. I have never met or heard of anybody so horrible, awful, and heartless that they would condemn one of the wealthiest people in the world for giving away his entire fortune and retirement to try and save the lives of millions of people. I want to apologize for these next two words. It's completely out of character for me, and they might get me banned fro…

well, you know, i could say yes you're right. (personally i don't think bill gates is a bad guy). but you kinda described the problem in your very post. that's quite a common problem(in the states arguable more than elsewhere) in attitude. throwing unlimited amounts of money at things, and hoping they will magically resolve themselves is not really very smart imho. but then again, i would argue he's old, and he's tir…

Look, I'm not saying that anybody who engages in philanthropy is beyond criticism. We certainly need to be able to critically discuss these issues in order to provide the best help for those in need.

However, this should not mean that your criticism's of the Foundation's methods should reflect your opinion of Bill Gates The Man, or really provoke any kind of moral response other than "holy shit, this guy is a massive force for good in the world, and my entire life's work will amount to a hair compared to the work that Gates and the foundation has done."

Basically, if every comment here would have started with "Bravo and kudos to Mr. Gates and the foundation. I am concerned that some of their goals, however, are misguided...", then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Secondly -- unless you've worked extensively with the developing world, there's a very large chance that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about when it comes to the Foundation's efforts or goals. Developmental economics, for some reason, tends to attract much more armchair philosophers than other professions, and it's much worse because these systems we're dealing with are off-scale in terms of complexity and uncertainty.

Re: Bill Gates: My Plan to Fix The World's Biggest Problems

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post #167

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Not sure why you need a cognitive explanation for what, outside rightist establishments, is hardly a controversial sentiment. Western countries telling the rest of the world what to do is not only condescending; it repackages old imperial propagandas of improvement, development, dependency, etc., and serves to further entrench Western power abroad.

>Western countries telling the rest of the world what to do is Bill Gates is not a Western country. He is a really smart guy who has proved himself pretty good at solving big problems by spending his own money. [1] If you read the article, he actually criticizes aid linked to furthering political interests. All he is saying is "Aid and development programmes should use feedback to improve things they do." I can't thi…

>Bill Gates is not a Western country

Except that the Gates Foundation acts like one. Its endowment is larger than the GDP about half of the countries of the world. It exists to promote a "creative capitalism" in which the domain of public, governmental services is now understood to be yet another market open for business (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/exec/billg/speeches/2008...).

Re: Bill Gates: My Plan to Fix The World's Biggest Problems

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This negativity could be directed against the authoritarian attitude towards problem solving. If you have a problem with Microsoft Windows you have to ask the Microsoft authorities to solve it for you because they won't give you the source code so that you can handle the problem yourself. In a similar sense, Bill Gates isn't asking for the community to democratically decide where money could be best spent, he is spen…

It's his money, so he gets to decide what to do with it. Likewise, Microsoft Office was his product, so he got to decide what privileges to offer users. If you didn't like Office, did you build a competitor program? No? Then don't complain. Seriously, the freedom to enjoy success and the autonomy to use one's own money and run one's own business however one sees fit, within the limits of the law, are like the fundame…

> It's his money, so he gets to decide what to do with it. Microsoft Office was his product, so he got to decide what privileges to offer users.

Microsoft Office is only "his" product because Microsoft is holding its source code in secret rather then releasing it to the benefit of the entire world. Since Bill Gates' entire career is based upon secrecy rather then productivity his ownership of billions of dollars is illegitimate.

> the key to all modern economic and technological progress

The main thing holding back technological progress today is secrecy. When corporations develop products in secret this leads to wasteful overlap. We should be using the Internet to facilitate global cooperation on technological projects.

Re: Bill Gates: My Plan to Fix The World's Biggest Problems

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Sometimes it seems that some think that the world biggest problem is that there are too few people on earth. No, it is not. We are killing our ecosystem already now. These other human problems like child mortality, poverty etc are of course emotionally and personally big ones, but resolving them would make world more crowded and not better place at all. My suggestion: if you put X amount of money to increase human population, then you must put also at least same amount to resolve all the next problems what we people generate: over-harvesting, co2 and other greenhouse gases, pollution etc.

Re: Bill Gates: My Plan to Fix The World's Biggest Problems

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It's his money, so he gets to decide what to do with it. Likewise, Microsoft Office was his product, so he got to decide what privileges to offer users. If you didn't like Office, did you build a competitor program? No? Then don't complain. Seriously, the freedom to enjoy success and the autonomy to use one's own money and run one's own business however one sees fit, within the limits of the law, are like the fundame…

> It's his money, so he gets to decide what to do with it. Microsoft Office was his product, so he got to decide what privileges to offer users. Microsoft Office is only "his" product because Microsoft is holding its source code in secret rather then releasing it to the benefit of the entire world. Since Bill Gates' entire career is based upon secrecy rather then productivity his ownership of billions of dollars is i…

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Re: Bill Gates: My Plan to Fix The World's Biggest Problems

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I am beyond disgusted with every negative poster in this thread. I have never met or heard of anybody so horrible, awful, and heartless that they would condemn one of the wealthiest people in the world for giving away his entire fortune and retirement to try and save the lives of millions of people. I want to apologize for these next two words. It's completely out of character for me, and they might get me banned fro…

I'll say them. I assume it was one of these three: Fuck You! Fuck off! Eat Shit! These four are from me though: Fuck off and die.

Mr. Steve Jobs was your role model, wasn't he?

Re: Bill Gates: My Plan to Fix The World's Biggest Problems

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I don't get the negativity in this thread. Bill Gates is trying to solve hard problems and people here are complaining. Sure, they may not be the problems that you think are most important, and I'm sure the foundation is making missteps along the way and wasting some money. But his message in this article is a good one I think: > The process I have described—setting clear goals, choosing an approach, measuring result…

> I don't get the negativity in this thread. Bill Gates is bringing a lot of assumptions with him that tacitly validate the incumbent political, social, and economic regimes. I think a lot of us would prefer that Gates do something revolutionary with his money rather than something evolutionary. First and foremost, the BMGF needs to consider overall-quality of life, not just specific, narrow measurements. It is only…

"It may very well be that improved infant mortality [...] are not linked to overall improved quality of life."

Are you serious? I read here that being alive isn't necessarily a premise to having an improved quality of life!

Edit (addition): I wish I could down-vote you for this kind of nonsense.

Re: Bill Gates: My Plan to Fix The World's Biggest Problems

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> So far as I'm aware, the Gates Foundation does nothing in regard to the world's biggest problem, which is aging I'd say aging and, yes, death are two related things that have helped us evolve from organic Carbon molecules to a species that is thinking of colonizing other planets in the Solar system. And I also do believe that if "we" as a species (or an evolved species based on our own) ever are to go beyond our So…

Humans are not evolving (in the Darwinian sense). The closest thing is selection based on which parts of the population have the most children. We are devolving in many ways: diseases that kill us or make us infertile are being treated so as to not kill us and make us infertile. With time, we might devolve to the point where we completely depend on modern medicine to survive and reproduce.

I was thinking more along these lines: http://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/evolutionary-adapta... . And that is just about the last ~10,000 years (give or take a few thousands).

> With time, we might devolve to the point where we completely depend on modern medicine to survive and reproduce.

That's a possibility, of course. Then you have to wonder what happens if the social structures crumble or change dramatically and you do not have access to modern medicine anymore?

Re: Bill Gates: My Plan to Fix The World's Biggest Problems

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The negativity is because of the legacy of colonialism. "Rich White Guy Solves all the World's Problems" ends up being really condescending, especially when other rich white guys are causing or exacerbating many of the problems.

Precisely what do you mean it "ends up being really condescending?" Let me tell you what I think you mean. I think you're attributing something happening inside your own head to the person you're reacting to. You're angry. The reason you're angry is that you have a bunch of arbitrary prejudices that have been set off by something you read. But you don't want to attribute your reaction to your own prejudices. So the o…

I'm not sure how to respond to this - do you have anything to actually say about the topic at hand? Because all this comment does is attack me for having "arbitrary prejudices" and adds nothing to the discussion.
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