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Delusions that companies have about the cloud

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Re: Delusions that companies have about the cloud

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Insanity #4; Your data could be accessed by the country the cloud host resides in.

Oh, wait, that's not insane, it's the opposite. It would rather be insane to give a government that's known for wanting access to everything–legal or not– like the US your sensitive data.

Re: Delusions that companies have about the cloud

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The cloud based MS Exchange product that's offered to Australian businesses uses servers based in Singapore.

Whether or not the risk is real or not, the perceived risk of your data being seized due to laws or actions outside your own country is a major point stopping take up in my opinion (at least in Australia anyway).

Re: Delusions that companies have about the cloud

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The delusion I have, which he didn't address, is that the price/performance ratio is atrocious. Sticking with Heroku, the $3200/m Ronin DB could essentially be a 1-time purchase if you are collocating, or 1/10th the monthly price if you go dedicated.

If you look at Gmail though, one of the most successful SaaS apps, its great value for small businesses. Many don't pay for it.

Re: Delusions that companies have about the cloud

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post #2

The delusion I have, which he didn't address, is that the price/performance ratio is atrocious. Sticking with Heroku, the $3200/m Ronin DB could essentially be a 1-time purchase if you are collocating, or 1/10th the monthly price if you go dedicated.

The author was speaking more about SaaS (like Google Apps), and not just IaaS hosting (like EC2) or PaaS (like Heroku). EC2 and Heroku don't compete primarily on price, but on the flexibility to scale up/down as needed. If you can offer more of a commitment, there are much cheaper options available.

Re: Delusions that companies have about the cloud

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post #10
post #2

The delusion I have, which he didn't address, is that the price/performance ratio is atrocious. Sticking with Heroku, the $3200/m Ronin DB could essentially be a 1-time purchase if you are collocating, or 1/10th the monthly price if you go dedicated.

The cost of the database to an enterprise is not dominated by how much the license for the software costs, the hardware costs, or the electricity costs. It is dominated by how much you have to pay in headcount to manage it. At many companies, that app would have two people whose full-time job would be "Do everything Heroku ops would do, except slower and suckier." I get this same question from some potential customer…

To be fair I'm surprised how often I see a rack mounted solution sitting in an office somewhere with no patches applied since ~2005.

"Your email has always been slow you say? That's because it's been running a botnet C&C server for some considerable time"

Re: Delusions that companies have about the cloud

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I have had people attempt to explain "the cloud" to me. Most people don't understand that it's still servers, just in a different place. It was the first time I understood why the term cloud is used, it just makes sense on a white board.

take a survey and ask the average person in America, they will tell you its some new technology in the sky like satellites.

Re: Delusions that companies have about the cloud

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Some good points but for me this misses the insider security risk of these organisations which scale doesn't help with. This could be the company acting against you or it could be an individual acting without authorisation. Suppose you are a startup that may be of interest to Google in an acquisition, why even give them the opportunity to read your mail by using Gmail? I also have some concerns that the stacked layer…

His argument seems to boil down to 'give us all your data because any concerns you have are just insane!'. It really irks me to see someone dismiss privacy and security concerns with such derision. It's also not just companies who should be concerned. I think the growing unease in the EU about US access to cloud service data is only going to get more serious.

You haven't worked in corporate IT I gather? Security and Privacy are at the bottom of the list when it comes to most businesses IT expenditure.
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