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Re: United States Sentencing Commission website hacked

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

fkeel1 wrote: post #81

Somewhat off topic, but this has been bothering me for a while now: about the role of aaron swartz in all this... initially I read he was facing "up to 35 years" in prison. After his death people started speaking of "up to 50 years". In relation to the USSC hack I have started seeing 50+ years pop up. I feel like these exaggerations do not do anyone any good. The actual facts are horrible enough - bloating them up li…

35 years was the maximum under the laws he was originally charged with. 50 years was the maximum after the supplemental indictment that added additional charges. Under the sentencing guidelines a judge shouldn't, but still could have sentenced him to the maximum.

If the goal is to change the law and the argument is that the penalties are absurd, the fact that the penalties are absurd is very relevant and not an exaggeration.

Re: United States Sentencing Commission website hacked

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Post by mpyne »

twoodfin wrote: post #76
hermannj314 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exposing emails, hacking the FBI? This is not at all helpful. Murdering politicians, assassinating police officers and judges, freeing the wrongly imprisoned by force. A willingness to die fighting. Any or all of those would change things, possibly for the better. But this, this is a waste of your time and ours.

hernmannj314, this comment could be read as encouraging the ("helpful") deaths of a variety of civic officials. Even if there were an appropriate forum for such loathsome sentiments, hn is certainly not it.

> Even if there were an appropriate forum for such loathsome sentiments, hn is certainly not it.

This behavior is the inevitable result of lynch mobs throughout history though. Rile up the people enough and stuff like this is a byproduct. Even in the American Revolution the people started off by torturing unpopular British officials by tar-and-feathering them. One can't have their cake and eat it too.

Re: United States Sentencing Commission website hacked

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Post by mpyne »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #91
fkeel1 wrote: post #81

Somewhat off topic, but this has been bothering me for a while now: about the role of aaron swartz in all this... initially I read he was facing "up to 35 years" in prison. After his death people started speaking of "up to 50 years". In relation to the USSC hack I have started seeing 50+ years pop up. I feel like these exaggerations do not do anyone any good. The actual facts are horrible enough - bloating them up li…

35 years was the maximum under the laws he was originally charged with. 50 years was the maximum after the supplemental indictment that added additional charges. Under the sentencing guidelines a judge shouldn't, but still could have sentenced him to the maximum. If the goal is to change the law and the argument is that the penalties are absurd, the fact that the penalties are absurd is very relevant and not an exagg…

"Win the lottery and you could receive up to $200 million!!! Buy your ticket today!!!"

And yet we say the lottery is a tax on people who are bad at math...

Re: United States Sentencing Commission website hacked

#95

Post by davidroberts »

davidroberts wrote: post #19

Self-righteous idiots. Who made them judge and jury of the world? Do something positive.

Essentially it's a form of terrorism. They are saying do things our way or we burn your house down. They don't believe in democracy and so what's left? A world where the best people at malicious hacking rule? The same skills they used to do this can shut down power plants, bring down air planes, and wreck general mayhem. They are saying the people in power are corrupt. Some how we have to trust they will never become corrupt.

Before I posted my original comment. I had a moment of fear. What if I pass them off and they decide to ruin my life. Maybe as an exercise size for one of their noobs.

Re: United States Sentencing Commission website hacked

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Post by mpyne »

tokenadult wrote: post #70

[Shakes his head in disgust.] Hackers, it's time for me to hack the discussion. You and your first world problems have NO IDEA how to fight for freedom. This is the wimpy way to protest whatever it is you are protesting. Unlike most people who post here, I have actually lived under a dictatorial regime that ruled a territory that later had a peaceful transition to democracy and legally protected civil rights. Anonymo…

> You and your first world problems have NO IDEA how to fight for freedom.

Why do you think "Freedom" is what they care about? They have decided what rules the rest of us are to live by, better just to get out of the way before the doxx you or take other vengeful retribution on you...

Re: United States Sentencing Commission website hacked

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Post by oftenwrong »

cskau wrote: post #87
Claudus wrote: post #49

The site contains links to 9 encrypted files, one for each of the current Supreme Court Justices. The files are intended to be concatenated into a single file named: Warhead-US-DOJ-LEA-2013.aes256 (US-DOJ-LEA = United States - Department of Justice - Law Enforcement Agency) aes256 is apparently the encryption scheme used to encrypt the files. File names (and sizes): 1115 MB total Scalia.Warhead1 (150 MB) Kennedy.Warh…

Does anyone know of any live mirrors of these files? Would be interesting to run some tests of them. I wonder at the legal implications of possessing them though?

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/8067849/Anonymous_Warheads_-_...

Re: United States Sentencing Commission website hacked

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Post by eaurouge »

analog wrote: post #78
singular wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ask Bradley Manning how that whistleblowing thing works out. I think it's important to realise doing things like that, whether ultimately for the good or the bad, comes at a huge personal risk.

It worked out with the Arab Spring didn't it? "Manning and WikiLeaks were credited as catalysts for the Arab Spring that began in December 2010, when waves of protesters rose up against rulers across the Middle East and North Africa after the leaked cables exposed government corruption" [1] [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning

Manning and WikiLeaks may have been credited by some as catalysts for the Arab Spring, but they were not.

Mohamed Bouazizi's self-immolation was the catalyst for the Arab Spring. It's not as if Tunisians needed anyone to tell them how corrupt their government was. Once Tunisia looked like it might fall, revolutionaries in other countries started planning their own protests.

Re: United States Sentencing Commission website hacked

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Post by vy8vWJlco »

knowtheory wrote: post #88
brendyn wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the aeinstein.org link. One thing: "no one in Anonymous seems courageous enough to go prison" - What use is it to go to prison? Maybe you will get some article produced about you generation some attention, but it really doesn't seem helpful. Courageous, I agree, but is it rational? Recently I read about a small protest in mainland China about an instance of media censorship. A bunch of people singed there…

You are comparing apples and oranges. This was not a protest in rural China where corrupt local communist party officials are going to come and disappear you. This was an attack on a US Federal Government website. Whoever defaced the site might get prosecuted for their endeavor, but the only purpose for anonymity here is for the instigators to avoid official reprisal and prosecution (.e.g to get away with it). Nobody…

"Nobody in the US is going to persecute you because you think academic articles should be free (they'll largely just ignore you)."

What good is the belief without the ability ("freedom") to act on it? Aaron acted on it, which was arguably a more effective form of protest, and he paid a high price too, even if one doesn't attribute the suicide to his persecution (ehem, sorry, "prosecution")...

"Whoever defaced the site might get prosecuted for their endeavor, but the only purpose for anonymity here is for the instigators to avoid official reprisal and prosecution (.e.g to get away with it)."

If I am reading your correctly, it sounds like you're saying the person defacing the site should volunteer his or herself for jail (albeit as an act of protest). That hardly makes sense in the best of scenarios let alone in the context of the CFAA. No sit-in protester wants to be pepper-sprayed and hauled downtown, nor would I hold it against them. Suggestion boxes are anonymous for a reason too. (Mind you, one doesn't see many of those these days; almost as if noone wants to know when something's wrong.)

Re: United States Sentencing Commission website hacked

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Post by twoodfin »

mpyne wrote: post #93
twoodfin wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

hernmannj314, this comment could be read as encouraging the ("helpful") deaths of a variety of civic officials. Even if there were an appropriate forum for such loathsome sentiments, hn is certainly not it.

> Even if there were an appropriate forum for such loathsome sentiments, hn is certainly not it. This behavior is the inevitable result of lynch mobs throughout history though. Rile up the people enough and stuff like this is a byproduct. Even in the American Revolution the people started off by torturing unpopular British officials by tar-and-feathering them. One can't have their cake and eat it too.

What's your point? hn is still not the place for such behavior to be framed as "helpful".
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