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Re: A note from Keith

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Post by brown9-2 »

arbuge wrote: post #107
abraininavat wrote: post #9

To those of you who immediately believe the tumblr and therefore condemn the accuser as a liar: On what basis do you make your judgment? Do you: 1. Know Keith or the accuser personally, and therefore have the capacity to make an educated guess as to the veracity of the claims? 2. Believe that rich people, well known people, or people with blogs don't have the capacity to do what Keith is accused of doing? 3. Believe…

One factor is Bayes' theorem and prior probabilities. The probability of being accused of sexual harassment changes when you're a wealthy executive working for a successful company like Square.

And how, pray tell, are you quantifying this prior possibility?

Re: A note from Keith

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Post by brown9-2 »

zaidf wrote: post #59

I think the general accepted idea that the victim of said offenses should remain anonymous while the accused is outed is very sad and makes little sense. It makes the whole "innocent until proven guilty" idea a joke given the ample data that show permanent damage that mere accusation can cause even if you are proven innocent later.

The accused has outed himself.

Re: A note from Keith

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Post by swalberg »

67726e wrote: post #46
swalberg wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's from criminal law, this seems to be a civil act. Also, while we're there, the burden of proof is different -- proof beyond a reasonable doubt vs balance of probabilities. (IANAL, I just remember this from an engineering law class)

My point is, at this time we've only just now heard of the accusation. Until the time that I've personally seen all evidence, or it has been determined in a court of law that this man is guilty of the accusations, he has done nothing in my eyes. I absolutely hate seeing innocent people have their reputations and lives trashed by someone who places a false claim against them. Innocent until proven guilty is a good pol…

I don't disagree that what you point out is the ideal.

Given the 4 word response, I thought I'd mention that standards from criminal law will not apply here and that the case will be decided on a balance of probabilities. I don't know this guy but I do hope he gets a fair shake in court.

Re: A note from Keith

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Post by bksenior »

run4yourlives wrote: post #58

Several months after our relationship began, I recommended that he interview at Square. I don't know Keith, anyone at his company, this story or have any opinion on who did or didn't do what to whom. I will just say this: The quote above, regardless of who says it when, is perhaps the worst business decision a person could ever make. Full Stop. Please, don't do this. Especially if you are the boss.

This is wildly dogmatic and not really based in reason. The risks of a relationship are evident, but what about the upside? Imagine the chance to vet someone over time for cultural and professional fit for a role that they might excel in. When a company gets large enough where there is zero interaction day to day are there no possibilities that this might work? Setting aside a lack of disclosure, is the leverage so great that someone is a liability having a social context? It just seems like people are pretty black and white on this.

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Re: A note from Keith

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Post by ceejayoz »

csense wrote: post #102
abraininavat wrote: post #9

To those of you who immediately believe the tumblr and therefore condemn the accuser as a liar: On what basis do you make your judgment? Do you: 1. Know Keith or the accuser personally, and therefore have the capacity to make an educated guess as to the veracity of the claims? 2. Believe that rich people, well known people, or people with blogs don't have the capacity to do what Keith is accused of doing? 3. Believe…

Mr. Rabois's story has the ring of truth. Consider the following, which are presumably objectively verifiable facts: A. Mr. Rabois doesn't name his accuser. If he was looking to inflict damage on them, he'd publicize it. B. The accuser is seeking a payment of "millions of dollars." C. The relationship began several months before the accuser's employment with Square. D. The two came into relatively little contact at w…

A. His lawyer likely would prefer he not do that.

B. Allegedly.

C. It could easily go bad later, leading to "if we break up I'll get you fired" type statements.

D. An executive of this level has enough power to at least make the threat of punitive actions have weight.

I don't think we have anything to go on beyond a blog post from one of the parties.

Re: A note from Keith

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Post by mturmon »

danso wrote: post #105
spuz wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand. Maybe we have different professional cultures. Why is having an undisclosed relationship with another employee the worst possible business decision? (Certainly in my culture I can think of much worse decisions one person could make).

1. "You want to break up with me? oK, you're fired" 2. "Maybe Bob is the better qualified candidate, but I'm going to promote the guy who's having sex with me"

3. "You're the boyfriend of the COO? Congratulations, you're hired into my group as advisor for internal strategy. Can we three have lunch together some time?"

Re: A note from Keith

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Post by mattdeboard »

cadlin wrote: post #97
slapshot wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to see that they were some ultra conservative bible toting rebels is... Bizarre. Or Mother Jones is trying to set up a strawman of them as being homophoboic bigots without realizing that they were actually protesting [1] the then-controversial Stanford speech code, which prohibited much more speech than the government could prohibit. Lawsuits [2] were underway against the speech code and it was a bit of a topic of…

I looked through your links and don't see anything about Keith Rabois being gay. That he was might be common knowledge, but it's not intimated on those sites.

Keith Rabois is the author of the post you're commenting on.

Re: A note from Keith

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Post by mattdeboard »

j98h wrote: post #75

what this mean "user like this"?? reading the dramatic situation and then view a lots of "user like this". They make me have a little smile, sorry.

It's a social feature on Tumblr. It's like "Favorite" on Twitter.

Re: A note from Keith

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Post by danso »

bksenior wrote: post #114
run4yourlives wrote: post #58

Several months after our relationship began, I recommended that he interview at Square. I don't know Keith, anyone at his company, this story or have any opinion on who did or didn't do what to whom. I will just say this: The quote above, regardless of who says it when, is perhaps the worst business decision a person could ever make. Full Stop. Please, don't do this. Especially if you are the boss.

This is wildly dogmatic and not really based in reason. The risks of a relationship are evident, but what about the upside? Imagine the chance to vet someone over time for cultural and professional fit for a role that they might excel in. When a company gets large enough where there is zero interaction day to day are there no possibilities that this might work? Setting aside a lack of disclosure, is the leverage so g…

Wait...let me get this straight. You're asking "..is the leverage so great that someone is a liability" for having a relationship? And you're asking this in a thread in which the OP describes how his ex-lover's attempt at extortion (if we believe the OP) has forced him out of the company?

I guess the answer to your question is...yes?

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