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What It's Like To Be Ridiculed For Open Sourcing A Project

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Post by dpark »

chaostheory wrote: post #696
dpark wrote: post #626

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> "Insulting someone's code is like insulting someone's kid." You are way too attached to your code. . . . What these guys said was still extremely rude.

I didn't come up with that quote. I believe someone famish like Martin Fowler did a few years back. > You are way too attached to your code. For most people this is subconscious. If you're not, good for you.

Someone like Martin Fowler should have better sense. Probably 75% of code is hideous when it's written. Probably 99.9% is hideous a few years later.

Someone who's so attached to their code that they can't accept criticism (even harsh criticism) of it is pretty much guaranteed to be writing crappy code.

You'll notice that harthur didn't flip out as if her child was insulted. Instead she asked for constructive feedback, a sign of professional maturity.

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Post by richardjordan »

peterarmstrong wrote: post #292
kyro wrote: post #282

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I've worked with people with Asperger's and Autism in a clinical setting. I'm not talking out of my ass.

While you might not be, you're probably the exception. The typical interaction sequence is: 1. Someone is rude on the internet. 2. "Ooh, look, undiagnosed ASD, lol, most software devs are ASD." 3. Self-applause, occasionally followed by discussion about whether Asperger's is different than Autism or whether it's a spectrum disorder, occasionally someone mentions the new version of DSM. (Sometimes this really bothers…

+! on succeeding Goodwin's law with tiresome and prejudicial accusations of autism spectrum disorders (often by people who really don't understand how offensive and insulting they're being

The fondness of this community to use words like retard and retarded as insults and use implications of special needs issues as forms of abuse is disappointing given the overall level of smarts of the community. But at least that's obviously offensive. The folks trotting out autism spectrum disorders don't even seem to realize they're being just as problematic and perpetuating unhelpful stereotypes.

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Post by richardjordan »

peterarmstrong wrote: post #292
kyro wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've worked with people with Asperger's and Autism in a clinical setting. I'm not talking out of my ass.

While you might not be, you're probably the exception. The typical interaction sequence is: 1. Someone is rude on the internet. 2. "Ooh, look, undiagnosed ASD, lol, most software devs are ASD." 3. Self-applause, occasionally followed by discussion about whether Asperger's is different than Autism or whether it's a spectrum disorder, occasionally someone mentions the new version of DSM. (Sometimes this really bothers…

+! on succeeding Goodwin's law with tiresome and prejudicial accusations of autism spectrum disorders (often by people who really don't understand how offensive and insulting they're being

The fondness of this community to use words like retard and retarded as insults and use implications of special needs issues as forms of abuse is disappointing given the overall level of smarts of the community. But at least that's obviously offensive. The folks trotting out autism spectrum disorders don't even seem to realize they're being just as problematic and perpetuating unhelpful stereotypes.

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Post by jiggy2011 »

mnicole wrote: post #694
jiggy2011 wrote: post #268

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There is a huge gulf between Asperger's and full blown autism. People with Aspergers are "normal" people in the sense that they are generally capable of looking after themselves, communicating and working normal jobs etc People will full Autism have severely limited communication skills (often no spoken or written language skills at all beyond repeating a handful of phrases) and require a significant amount of assist…

There are still people that fall under the high-functioning category that have a hard time taking care of themselves and holding down jobs. Just because you check some boxes doesn't mean you check them all, and I'm glad the DSM is removing a term that tries to generalize a subset.

I agree, but the level of care required for an "aspie" vs that for somebody with severe autism is night and day.

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Post by dos1 »

awj wrote: post #698
dos1 wrote: post #690

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Oh sure, I've made plenty of stupid comments, but that's not what these guys did. They picked a repo on Github that they thought was duplicating functionality in Unix (oh the horror!) and engaged in classic schoolyard bullying. Publicly shaming the code and the author, apparently to make themselves feel better and show the world how smart they were. And at the end of it, the apologies they issued after the internet t…

I can comfortably say, based on more than a few arguments and discussions, that Steve Klabnik is not a bully. This situation sucked all around for a lot of reasons, but "that's it, this guy is an asshole end of store" is a poor reaction to it. If you want to judge a person with any degree of finality by one isolated incident that you barely were involved in, that's your prerogative. I think that speaks more about you…

How can you begrudge me my opinion when the only facts I have corroborate it?

http://blog.steveklabnik.com/posts/2010-09-24-trolling-is-a-...

This post was from 2010 where he admits he's a jerk and can't help it. I think that pretty clearly is a victory for my thesis.

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Post by chipsy »

arcatek wrote: post #2

I'm curious : what is the use case for this utility ? If I look at the README, it says : > Modifies files when matches are found Just like sed's -i option (except that -i allows you to specify a backup extension just in case) > Recursive search on directories with -r I usually use find with sed, so it's not so much a problem (and it actually allows to filter the files by extension, exclude directories, etc, which is…

It's wheel reinvention - same idea, different UI. But that's not always a terrible thing in programming; in fact it describes most of our software.

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Post by TheEmpath »

catwell wrote: post #357
quasque wrote: post #82

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I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was a strong undercurrent of misogyny involved here, motivating their incivility and rudeness.

Accusing everybody criticizing a woman of sexism is certainly not helping. They almost certainly didn't know she is a woman. Moreover Steve Klabnik at least is a widely known ally ( http://confreaks.com/videos/1089-madisonruby2012-anti-opress... )

It is fundamentally impossible to provide enough evidence or preemptive apologies to find redemption once someone starts playing the Identity Victim card. Don't even bother.

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Post by [deleted] »

dos1 wrote: post #667
mturmon wrote: post #651

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> "that's called being an asshole" There's a difference between "being an asshole" and "sometimes acting like an asshole". We all do the second thing sometimes. A snarky comment and a bad apology may be an instance of the second thing. But they don't imply the first. Compare another toxic noun, "racist". There's a difference between "being a racist" and "making a racist comment". If people could apologize for the lat…

> A snarky comment and a bad apology may be an instance of the second thing. But they don't imply the first. Sorry chief, I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there. The snarky comment can be forgiven. (although I've since read other tweets/posts from David Cramer and it appears as though he really is that abrasive all the time) By contrast, a bad apology is a clear indication of someone's true nature. If…

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Post by awj »

dos1 wrote: post #715
awj wrote: post #698

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I can comfortably say, based on more than a few arguments and discussions, that Steve Klabnik is not a bully. This situation sucked all around for a lot of reasons, but "that's it, this guy is an asshole end of store" is a poor reaction to it. If you want to judge a person with any degree of finality by one isolated incident that you barely were involved in, that's your prerogative. I think that speaks more about you…

How can you begrudge me my opinion when the only facts I have corroborate it? http://blog.steveklabnik.com/posts/2010-09-24-trolling-is-a-... This post was from 2010 where he admits he's a jerk and can't help it. I think that pretty clearly is a victory for my thesis.

...did you link to the right post? The one I'm reading says he is aware that he is capable of this kind of behavior and has taken steps to mitigate it. If anything it hurts your I'm-right-in-declaring-this-guy-an-irredeemable-asshole thesis.

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Post by blader »

jrogers65 wrote: post #487
blader wrote: post #247

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Yeah, who needs TextMate when you have vim, right? Or Ruby when you've got Perl?

I beg to differ on your first argument. Learning Vim was one of the best decisions I've ever made in terms of how I write code. Other editors feel like toys in comparison. I'm siding with mrb on this one. Learning flexible tools gives you immense power in comparison to low-learning-curve ones. The time invested is considerably smaller than the time spent figuring out how to solve edge cases with simple tools. This is…

My only point is that what's right for you isn't necessarily what's right for everyone.
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