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What It's Like To Be Ridiculed For Open Sourcing A Project

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Re: What It's Like To Be Ridiculed For Open Sourcing A Project

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Post by dandelany »

Many people here seem to be commenting on the quality of the code in question - they are clearly missing the point.

Others are offering advice on how to deal with negative criticism on the Internet. They, too, miss the point. The point of this post isn't to complain "people trashed my work and now I feel bad, make me feel better", it's a call to action - "as a community, we should be better than this". Of course there will always be trolls and negative comments on the Internet. Instead of just preparing ourselves to deal with them, we need to be proactive about creating a community where everyone feels welcome to share what they're working on, even novices who don't write perfect code. (my previous thoughts on the matter: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4700490 )

Re: What It's Like To Be Ridiculed For Open Sourcing A Project

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Post by tunesmith »

luigi wrote: post #12

Here's the Twitter discussion alluded to in the post: https://twitter.com/harthvader/status/293829635823792128 Main justification is the nicer syntax. I agree it's nicer, but would approach it by wrapping sed, not re-implementing in Node.js from scratch. I don't think that excuses the ridicule, though.

Me neither. It's not as if klabnik was asked to use it. Plain old rude, in the name of defending no principle in particular.

Re: What It's Like To Be Ridiculed For Open Sourcing A Project

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Post by [deleted] »

randomaccount5 wrote: post #17
byroot wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah you missed the point of the article. It's not about the usefulness of the project, it's about why does notorious developers like steveklabnik (rails core team) and dcramer (lots of django related projects) are publicly bashing this project without any reason. It's rude and childish.

And a summary of that attitude: https://twitter.com/steveklabnik/status/293831920872194050 Why would anyone want to work with Steve?

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Re: What It's Like To Be Ridiculed For Open Sourcing A Project

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Post by jlongster »

What the fuck. (And I rarely say that word.)

We've got to grow up. This is 9th grade all over again. You know, those weird people that do things that you don't understand? They're the ones that grow up and make big impacts on the world.

Why can't we get over our negativity? We can't stop ourselves from thinking horrible things, or even saying them out loud to people around us, but surely we can restrain ourselves from publicly humiliating someone in front of thousands (or more) people. And for what purpose? To say "funny" things like "our eyes are bleeding!". Seriously?

I really will never understand why people can't simply be more positive. If I ever start a company the #1 thing I will look for in others is positivity. I wouldn't stand for this crap.

Re: What It's Like To Be Ridiculed For Open Sourcing A Project

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Post by jaequery »

wasabian wrote: post #24

Funny how @coreyhaines has made hugboard.com ("giving the gift of encouragement"), @steveklabnik is a maintainer of hacketyhack, a tool for learning how to program. "Hackety Hack will teach you the absolute basics of programming from the ground up. No previous programming experience is needed!" And while you're busy learning the basics, we'll just wait until you release something so we can publicly ridicule you on Tw…

hah, that's just pure irony

Re: What It's Like To Be Ridiculed For Open Sourcing A Project

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Post by doktrin »

crazytony wrote: post #3
arcatek wrote: post #2

I'm curious : what is the use case for this utility ? If I look at the README, it says : > Modifies files when matches are found Just like sed's -i option (except that -i allows you to specify a backup extension just in case) > Recursive search on directories with -r I usually use find with sed, so it's not so much a problem (and it actually allows to filter the files by extension, exclude directories, etc, which is…

Not one she specifically mentioned (or possibly thought of) but it runs on windows without Cygwin. Edit: using the proper gender pronoun would help.

I've never configured Node on Windows, but apparently it requires Cygwin [1]

    Currently, you must use cygwin to install node. To do so, follow these steps:
[1] http://howtonode.org/how-to-install-nodejs

Re: What It's Like To Be Ridiculed For Open Sourcing A Project

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Post by rachelbythebay »

I get a fair amount of ridicule any time anything I write makes it into sites like reddit, and a small amount (depending on topic) when it makes it onto HN. When one of my posts hit the front page yesterday, I decided to re-read "How to Disagree": http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html

Having done that, I can now just privately laugh at anyone who fails to come up with an adequate refutation of my central point. People who just say things like "this is crap" can be prodded like "okay, maybe it is, but you didn't say how", and then when they fail to come up with how, you know where they are functioning.

It looks like she did exactly this (asked them to explain it) on Twitter, and got the same sort of "it just sucks" reply. Eventually, you can get to a point where they can be safely ignored or even used for your own personal entertainment.

One sent to me on HN: "What an asshole. Chromium's code is there for review, you know."

I said in reply: "Thanks! Comments like this mean I'm on the right track."

Yeah, it's stupid that you have to suffer before you can get to this point, but it's not like we're talking about an industry which defaults to caring for others.

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Regarding the actual program, I don't write shell utilities in JavaScript so I can't say whether it's a good or a bad implementation. It's just not my space. It's not something I seem to need (since I tend to abuse perl to do such work), so I can't comment on the overall utility, either.

Re: What It's Like To Be Ridiculed For Open Sourcing A Project

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Post by spohlenz »

I was pretty appalled when I first saw those tweets. I held my tongue at the time (after all, who am I?) but as a member of the Rails community, seeing this sort of behaviour from community leaders is frustrating and kind of embarrassing, and I do think it needs calling out when it happens. I'm finding Twitter has become more and more depressing lately with similar incidents.

I don't know much of Dave or any others who stuck the boot in, but Steve and Corey are both involved in educational endeavours and should know better. Steve also recently railed against the idea that "you are not your code" (https://twitter.com/steveklabnik/status/279399353729286145) which makes his jab even more insulting.

I've often wondered why concepts such as MINSWAN even exist, but it seems some people actually have to be reminded to be nice.

If they haven't already, they definitely owe you an apology.

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