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Re: Don’t believe everything you read

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This is why reputation and reliability matter. While the example in this post is the equivalent of "I got major news outlets like TMZ to think that Paris Hilton was getting married" many types of news aren't so inconsequential. In the first few days after the Connecticut shooting, there were so many inaccuracies it made me reconsider other "facts" I heard which were never obviously wrong (e.g. it became obvious that the shooter's name was wrong when he was in New York - most inaccuracies aren't like this). Like many blogs, the "source" of misinformation often originated in a single benign inaccuracy that was then propagated through other news agencies.

What I would love to see is a method for tracking or indexing reputation of a site by some automatic method. As it is, I can kind of infer how reliable a site is based on the language I see, and the types of headlines, and whether others have told me it's reputable. I would love to see that automated somehow. News aggregators try to solve this via upvotes, downvotes, or flags, but there are plenty of reasons to upvote that have nothing to do with reliability per se, and trying to use multiple upvoting buttons seems silly, because at the end of the day rank is a one-dimensional property, so you'll have to combine "funny", "reliable", "interesting" into some single number.

It's a "hard problem" but since the value of information depends so heavily on its accuracy, solving it would appear to be very lucrative and valuable to a society in which the quantity of available information grows by leaps and bounds each year. Google seems to have solved "relevance" and I would love to see someone solve reliability.

Re: Don’t believe everything you read

#32
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fwiw, his list of "major sites" that got fooled is rather misleading and sketchy in its own way: "yahoo" - syndicated content "cnet" - (UK) cnet.co.uk's crave blog "gizmodo" - (UK) gizmodo.co.uk not saying that you couldn't fool major sites, but this is a misrepresentative. You say "Gizmodo' without qualification, people expect you mean Gizmodo.com -- Not Gizmodo.co.uk. But hey, anything for a headline/clicks/press,…

If you willingly put your name on something, you have editorial responsibility.

Yes, the article is on http://uk.news.yahoo.com/. How many people are going to realize that it's not actually yahoo news?

Re: Don’t believe everything you read

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You get what you pay for. When a site's only revenue source is ads paying a couple of bucks per thousand impressions, this is the inevitable result.

Do the ads in print or broadcast radio/TV pay much more than that?

Seems that a Super Bowl spot goes for about 4 million USD, reaching 100+ million viewers [1] - that comes out as about 40 bucks per thousand impressions, but this "impression" is an interstitial one for 30 seconds. This is apparently the highest USA TV price ever.

And, for print, most anything that is not paid research has a cover price mostly to pay for distribution (in particular, to get news stands paid for carrying it).

[1] http://www.nbcnews.com/business/despite-4-million-price-tag-...

Re: Don’t believe everything you read

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You get what you pay for. When a site's only revenue source is ads paying a couple of bucks per thousand impressions, this is the inevitable result.

Newspapers have a similar model. The subscription fee just helps establish their customers as bona fide.

Not always. Subscriptions for the Wall Street Journal are an foundation revenue source. I think this is also the case for the FT and the Economist.

I don't think it coincidental that these are financial papers. Information is valuable and businesspeople will pay for it. That has implications for their reporting, too. Their stories are under pressure for accuracy, because the readers are paying for information and will go elsewhere if they don't get good stuff.

I think ad-first news models are more prone to some bias to generate an audience. People generally don't like hearing things they disagree with, so anyone requiring a large audience finds themselves pressured to adopt particular attitudes to get and hold that audience.

Why don't business people assert the similar biases? They do. But the ones paying up for information -- e.g. WSJ subscribers -- are almost by definition more interested in information than people who aren't. That particular crowd is also alert to the potential in contrarian opinion, they know people can get _paid_ for knowing something unexpected. So they've incentive to overcome their own cognitive dissonance.

I read recently that the NY Times was moving to more dependence on subscription revenue. I think that would be great, the more a reader pays, the higher the demand for accuracy.

Re: Don’t believe everything you read

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In summary, author blames gaming sites for lack of journalistic integrity at the same time he fails to notice he is a liar and a snark. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

He didn't notice it? > I feel bad for lying, but it proves the point very well.

In sentences like that, I tend to ignore everything before the 'but'.

To my admittedly uneducated eye, nothing in the rest of that article indicates any kind of remorse or regret over the author's actions.

The clause before the 'but' is how the author gives themselves permission to say what's after the 'but'. This does not necessarily impart any emotional (or even semantic) meaning onto the first clause.

Re: Don’t believe everything you read

#36

Or this is a brilliant cover up from Microsoft on a genuine leak. That is the fun with paranoia - there is always one more level of distrust. Also specs of next gen devices are not that hard to guess. Assuming goals are 1080p x 60FPS: If you aim for sub 500 USD of production cost that retail at 350-400 there are not many balanced hardware solutions that could fit. My wild guess is that we will have 6GB of ram (it is…

I'm not an expert on this but my gut tells me that Microsoft/Sony/whoever, when specing the device will make a bulk contract purchase for their equipment. So although retail market for cpu/gpu/ram may be so much right now they'll be able to get better hardware at a cheaper rate than any consumer wishing to build at the cheapest price avaiable. I would hope at least that next-gen aren't building at 660ti grade GPU.

Re: Don’t believe everything you read

#37
This reminds me, a few years back, I wanted to have a site linked and spoken about on major internet news (tech) sites.

Submitted the story, never saw anything about it. Probably not sensationalistic enough. Then I figured.

Sent the story to a few smaller news sites. ONE took the story. Next day, ALL sites including major news sites had the story.

Of course, these days its expected that news site leech stories and perform zero journalism, but back them, even thus I wouldn't say it surprised me a lot, it felt wrong hehe.

Re: Don’t believe everything you read

#38
The author is absolutely correct that this is not "journalism," however, I would argue that the state of the industry is not necessarily bad. What you have to consider most is the target market of this misinformation.

If the target were industry executives and product designers then, yes, getting accurate information on new products from competitors and the industry would be important but this is not the case.

The target market is, instead, eager-beaver fans who are bored at work or home and want something to entertain them and they find video game news and rumours entertaining. I've been part of that crowd in the past. To put it bluntly, I'd rather tons of inaccurate information constantly streaming into my RSS reader than one or two accurate updates a month.

This is a simple case of the market shaping the product. I wouldn't be so quick to attack the "journalists" who are simply giving their readers what they want.

Complaining that gaming news is not validated is about equivalent to complaining that the National Enquirer isn't top-rate journalism. We know and that's not the point.

Re: Don’t believe everything you read

#39
That the news agencies are too quick to run with a story is an old complaint. That doesn't make it any less real, it simply makes it less novel.

"Bad guys" exploit this effect to create false perceptions. It is used a lot in politics since perception is effectively reality if the next step is getting a vote. Sometimes it is used for espionage (corporate and geopolitical) to create a diversion. It has been used to make money in the stock market with option manipulation.

Because being "first" on a news story conveys additional profit (views, ad clicks, publicity) there is great incentive to be first, which will always be in tension with being accurate. There also seems to be a sliding scale on verification so leaking a rumor that the Prime Minister has died is less likely to run without verification than leaking a rumor that the Prime Minister has been photographed in a compromising situation. National impact vs scandalous impact. No doubt every publisher thinks "Hmm, what if this is a prank what is the worst that can happen?" Maybe I give them too much credit.

Reputation is important, takes a long time to build though. Can be lost quickly.

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