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What it's Really Like Working with Steve Jobs

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The WWW didn't get its third 'W' until the unrestricted domain market opened up via Network Solutions in 1995.

Second and third, surely?

I was going with the first two being inherent since it was invented, but we can say that NetSol being given admin over .com in 1993 was the second 'w'. In 1995 NetSol was given permission to sell them to anybody.

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People overplay the Apple Maps card. There was only ONE thing Apple did wrong with Apple Maps. And that was to not license data far, far more aggressively. The fact is that Google Maps as an app is buggy, lags terribly and clunky all round. It's the high quality of the data that sets it apart.

I beg to disagree. I was surprised that Apple Maps also get the information granularity completely wrong, that is the amount of data presented at a zoom level. This, and not the data, made the app uttterly unusable for me on a recent trip to Hong Kong. I could either see the overview of the area I was in with no street names for all the minor streets around me, which made it unusable. Or I could zoom in and finally s…

Try navigating Thailand without any English street names and descriptions. Nothing to do with the Maps language setting, everything to do with the data. Maybe it's been fixed now with a new data set?

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It did make it into the book--Jobs mostly spent that year eating differently, but it wasn't a major focus of his life and aside from the change in diet he did more or less ignore it. If he obsessed over it as much as he actually obsessed over things at times, perhaps things would have gone differently. But it's clear that he did not.

It appears the book glossed over what actually happened. Jobs worked with a number of alternative medicine con artists, to no result, obviously. Obsessing doesn't work when the methodology is wrong, and alternative medicine is the wrong methodology for treating serious medical problems.

Maybe I'm just glossing over it. The sense I got from the book was that he did a lot of stuff with diet and alternative medicine, but he also refused to focus on the problem until it was too late. One would hope that if he were that focused on it, he would have changed his mind about treatment in time to actually do something about it, rather than letting it sneak up on him for a year.

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After reading his biography by Walter Isaacson. I lost all respect I had for Steve Jobs. At the end of the book it felt like he rode on the successes of other geniuses like Steve Wozniak, Jonathan Ive and many others. His biggest advantage seems to have be, that he was with Steve Wozniak when Apple 1 and 2 were made. After that it was riding on others success and building cult of personality around him. Walter Isaacs…

This linked article is one of the first things that has made me think of Steve in a positive light. I'm generally fairly negative about him because 1. I have a natural aversion to cults of personality and all that goes with them and 2. the Apple vision of the world is about consumer products. I think this is exactly the wrong direction for all of society ( producer products are the future), and I worry that if they e…

> the Apple vision of the world is about consumer products. I think this is exactly the wrong direction for all of society (producer products are the future),

I think iMovie and the iMac DV phase was a period where Apple actually aspired to this, though. They obsessed over making the best possible computers and software for people to make great home movies, just as they were obsessing over Final Cut and the Power Mac for the professional market. The Mac used to have a reputation as the platform for creative people in all fields, and the "think different" campaign was an effort to reinforce that.

Unfortunately, most people don't want to be creative and Apple had an opportunity to pursue the consumer market. They still try, with Garageband and iPhoto and iMovie, but it's less of a focus.

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This is impossible to read. Please restructure it in some way that involves paragraphs, fewer parenthesis and doesn't reference it's own sentences.

Sorry it is so hard to read, most of my posts here are casual thought not elaborately structured rhetoric. Rewriting it to better please you is not high on my list of things to do at the moment, so, pass.

I felt the same way as the GP. It's not about better pleasing one person. It's about investing an extra minute or two yourself to save all of the readers a total amount of time that exceeds that. Writing unstructured text in a discussion forum isn't good netiquette.

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I've heard many stories about Jobs in his later life.

He liked to walk into functional working groups and just shit on people just because he could. On multiple occasions I and friends witnessed Jobs inciting arguments with people and then firing them on the spot.

He would approach a random person while walking around the Apple campus and ask them why they were doing what they were doing, and if he didn't like their answer he'd tell them to get the fuck out.

I once saw him approach a network engineer who had just finished implementing a wi-fi infrastructure install for a large building on the campus. He complained that he could "see" the routers that were attached near the ceilings. When it was explained that the routers were visible because the ceiling panels obstructed the ceiling he said "I don't give a fuck, make them go away. I don't want to see them." The engineer had to remove all of the routers, re-position them and then add twice the number of routers to accommodation the signal loss.

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Between this and the Safari story, I'm struck at just how deep Apple's internal secrecy ethos runs. The idea that there is that level of dedication to keeping a project hidden, not just from outsiders, but from almost the entire rest of the company just blows my mind. It certainly explains how they're able to keep projects secret for as long as they do.

Initially I thought that the secrecy was only to shield information from flowing outside of the company but if you dig deeper there is a much more useful side-affect. If you are part of a 4 member team that is working in a 10,000+ employee organization, it is very easy to get lost in the bureaucracy, processes and fooling yourself that being busy is the same as being productive. However, by making your work secret; it effectively limits what you can talk about with other people within the organization and limits other people from butting into it. This allows the 4-member team to focus on their work, talk to one key person at the top to get through large-organization bureaucracies and be as effective as a 4-person startup.

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> I have a natural aversion to cults of personality and all that goes with them and 2. the Apple vision of the world is about consumer products. I think this is exactly the wrong direction for all of society (producer products are the future) But producers produce products for consumers to consume. You can't just eliminate the consumer side of the equation. Without one there isn't the other.

> But producers produce products for consumers to consume. Not necessarily. You can be a producer for yourself. I think the GP is arguing that technologies like 3D printing and practices like home gardening will flourish in the near future. Rather than buy stuff per se, people will buy equipment and tools that allow them to produce for themselves the stuff they would have bought.

Sure, but in that case, you're a consumer for the printer, and the more useful it is, the more it will cost.
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