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Re: We'll just put ads on

#31
Another issue cropping up is eyeballs moving from desktops to mobile devices. The CPM for mobile is significantly lower than desktop which puts more financial constraints on a company that is only ad powered. These are real pressures affecting $FB and $GOOG right now. Based on KPCB (1) research, CPM for desktop is $3.50 and for mobile it's $0.75.

[1] - http://www.slideshare.net/kleinerperkins/kpcb-internet-trend...

Re: We'll just put ads on

#32
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a site that has around 4-5m visits per month, yet all attempts to monetize it have failed. I'd love to use Amazon's referral program or Google Ads, but I can't because the site's content is somewhere between reddit and 4chan - deemed too shady for anything else than porn ads. So, the site still remains a hobby project - exactly as when I launched it 6 years ago.

If it's a forum style thing then discussion systems with a high number of pageviews per unique visitor (vbulletin/reddit/etc) will generally have very poor advertising revenue. Maybe you need to look at a different model though ? Sort of like reddit gold, premium memberships, or some other services that may somehow add value to your site ? It's often surprising how many people are willing to pay $2-$10 per month for…

I run a similar semi-pornographic site. The problem is payment gateways like Paypal do not like sites with adult content, and traffic typically isn't high enough to justify splurging on a merchant account.

Re: We'll just put ads on

#33

for me, the main issue with ads as a business model: they make the product crappy facebook, twitter, yelp, blogs/content - the more you monetize, the more annoyed your users are there's an inherent tension between the success of the product and the success of the business, which is problematic especially as you scale the only significant exception is google

The success of advertising in your app depends on how valuable a service you provide. As value increases, so does the viability of an ad based revenue model.

Re: We'll just put ads on

#34
post #7

This post has a very naive understanding of online advertising. Here's a breakdown: - If you're thinking of advertising in terms of just slapping on some Google Adsense then you need high amounts (millions of users per month) of traffic to make reasonable money. - If you're thinking of specific kinds of targeted advertising, this can be very powerful depending on your niche. If you can hire a sales team to push adver…

I have a site that has around 4-5m visits per month, yet all attempts to monetize it have failed. I'd love to use Amazon's referral program or Google Ads, but I can't because the site's content is somewhere between reddit and 4chan - deemed too shady for anything else than porn ads. So, the site still remains a hobby project - exactly as when I launched it 6 years ago.

(Obvious suggestion) look at how similar content sites are being monetized. A lot of ad networks advertise on PirateBay. Maybe you can contact them and include similar ad units.

Re: We'll just put ads on

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's a forum style thing then discussion systems with a high number of pageviews per unique visitor (vbulletin/reddit/etc) will generally have very poor advertising revenue. Maybe you need to look at a different model though ? Sort of like reddit gold, premium memberships, or some other services that may somehow add value to your site ? It's often surprising how many people are willing to pay $2-$10 per month for…

There's no email address on your profile :) The site is http://pr0gramm.com/ (NSFW) - mostly german visitors and yes, it's 4-5m visits, not pageviews. It's kinda impossible to define what a "pageview" is on that site anyway.

Have you considered partnering with a company that would play off the kind of irreverent content IRC carries? The company TshirtHell.com came to mind as (IIRC) they've fostered controversy in the past. You do something like every xth image on your site is the image from one of their Tees with a referral link to buy as the source. You could tweak x to find the right balance between annoying and profitable.

Re: We'll just put ads on

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post #26

Leaving the merits of advertising itself aside for a bit, this post brings up a bigger topic that I think anyone running a startup needs to think about: When you're getting involved in a startup, it is incredibly important that you be honest with yourselves and your partners about what the goal really is (this is to the point made the other day about self-awareness) and what you're really building. A Feature: A piece…

+1. Love this explanation!

Re: We'll just put ads on

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post #26

Leaving the merits of advertising itself aside for a bit, this post brings up a bigger topic that I think anyone running a startup needs to think about: When you're getting involved in a startup, it is incredibly important that you be honest with yourselves and your partners about what the goal really is (this is to the point made the other day about self-awareness) and what you're really building. A Feature: A piece…

Thanks for the advice, it makes sense. However shouldn't the choice be between a feature and a product as they could develop into a business? You can't just make a business like a product, it takes time. A feature/product evolves into a business since no one can be profitable from launch day.

Re: We'll just put ads on

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post #26

Leaving the merits of advertising itself aside for a bit, this post brings up a bigger topic that I think anyone running a startup needs to think about: When you're getting involved in a startup, it is incredibly important that you be honest with yourselves and your partners about what the goal really is (this is to the point made the other day about self-awareness) and what you're really building. A Feature: A piece…

What would you say is the biggest difference between a product and a business though? Is a business just a company with a lot of successful products? Following your terminology, I'd say people create products and if they are successful turn into businesses. I totally get what you mean by features though and sometimes I wonder if tackling these tiny problems with full out services is a legitimate business strategy or just a fad.

Re: We'll just put ads on

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post #2

> If the answer involves advertising, think again, chances are it’s a poor business model. Now you might say that [insert your favourite startup here] did it and succeeded, but let me warn you, those are the exception to the rule. Perhaps. But the startup that succeeds is the exception to the rule, REGARDLESS of their model for making money. And I have seen quite a few that worried first about getting customers and o…

From what I've seen, codeable.io's business model seems to be "get lots of blog posts on the HN front page".
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