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Re: Actual Facebook Graph Searches

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Post by corporalagumbo »

psbp wrote: post #84
corporalagumbo wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think "socialisation under the umbrella of a facebook type environment" was inevitable one way or another. The advantages of an efficient system for socialising with a centralised online persona system are just too huge to forgo. I'd be interested to hear what you consider might have been alternatives, but personally, I think the economics lead inexorably to a free-to-play ad-supported system such as Facebook. Show…

I think you can create services which achieve the same function as facebook while making a dispersion of self and novelty apparent to its users. I'm not arguing monetization, but the means and consequences of exploiting users responsibly.

Yet again, I struggle to make sense of what exactly you're trying to say. You're using a lot of big words, but not necessarily making your point clear. What does "making a dispersion of self and novelty apparent" mean?

Re: Actual Facebook Graph Searches

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Post by nemothekid »

pyre wrote: post #46
potatolicious wrote: post #25

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> "Nothing good can come out of applying dumb algorithms (that is, any algorithm) to a sufficiently rich "social graph"" These aren't algorithms. This is a search engine - what you put into it is up to you. It can be anywhere from the silliness seen in the link, to "friends who live in London" before you take a trip. This is just handing people another tool - the uses, and misuses, of said tool are entirely on the us…

| This is just handing people another tool - the uses, | and misuses, of said tool are entirely on the users. The same applies to building hand-held nuclear weapons and handing them out on a street corner. The same could be said of convincing people to put CCTVs in their houses and then hooking them all up chatroullete-style. That doesn't mean that it's a good idea. | A snarky and mean-spirited stereotyping of all |…

Maybe because I am also a "20-something", but I do not see how Zuckerburg/facebook employees being "sheltered" (I don't know why you asserted that, unless you went to high school with him) has anything to do with Social Graph.

1.) The fact that they had this information is not surprising at all. Again maybe because I am a 20-something, I think its pretty obvious that if you had terabytes of data you would want to search it.

2.) While many people do show different parts of themselves to certain peer groups, the data Facebook has was posted to Facebook. Facebook did not install a CCTV in anyones home and log their guilty pleasures. This gets parroted a lot, but if you don't want someone to find out you love Lifetime originals, don't post it on facebook. It won't end up in the graph, and you can continue playing your identity game.

Re: Actual Facebook Graph Searches

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Post by [deleted] »

psbp wrote: post #80
corporalagumbo wrote: post #72

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My little brother and sister had it from 11 and 12 respectively. Yes, it's quite interesting to think about. Anyway, what's your point? By the way, you're discussing this with someone who believes that in the future we will record and utilise orders of magnitude more amount of data about our lives and our planet than we do now, enough to make your eyes water, and furthermore, that we are inexorably fated to do so, an…

Data doesn't need to be implicitly tied with self-expression.

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Re: Actual Facebook Graph Searches

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Post by psbp »

corporalagumbo wrote: post #88
psbp wrote: post #80

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Data doesn't need to be implicitly tied with self-expression.

... Dude, what does that even mean?

Think it through silly. What do you think your little brother and sister are doing at 11/12? Their "data" doesn't mean anything. The way in which they're forging their identity, their opinions, their sense of community and relationships is what's important.

It's necessary for these types of environments not to disparage diversity or authentic forms of expression. The way facebook monetizes and encourages users to use its service very much does that as exhibited in the images above.

A multifaceted sense of self can not be easily created using facebook because that's antithetical to facebook's model. Facebook would rather you offer clarity and conformity to your identity which is easily digestible by the your peer groups or the public at large.

Re: Actual Facebook Graph Searches

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Post by [deleted] »

psbp wrote: post #84
corporalagumbo wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think "socialisation under the umbrella of a facebook type environment" was inevitable one way or another. The advantages of an efficient system for socialising with a centralised online persona system are just too huge to forgo. I'd be interested to hear what you consider might have been alternatives, but personally, I think the economics lead inexorably to a free-to-play ad-supported system such as Facebook. Show…

I think you can create services which achieve the same function as facebook while making a dispersion of self and novelty apparent to its users. I'm not arguing monetization, but the means and consequences of exploiting users responsibly.

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Re: Actual Facebook Graph Searches

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Post by derleth »

achompas wrote: post #40
GuiA wrote: post #5

With great power comes great responsibility. Companies such as Facebook and the like undoubtedly draw great power from their "social graph"; however, human interactions are subtle, complex, multifaceted and often contradictory. Nothing good can come out of applying dumb algorithms (that is, any algorithm) to a sufficiently rich "social graph"; it will always lead to situations like that which are, at best, embarrassi…

Nothing good can come out of applying dumb algorithms (that is, any algorithm) to a sufficiently rich "social graph"; it will always lead to situations like that which are, at best, embarrassing, and at worst, dangerous, for whoever is in the system. What does this even mean? The "dumb algorithm" here will (a) take a user's query and (b) search that user's friends and public profiles for hits on that query. What's ne…

> If you don't like it, then quit.

Assuming you're socially allowed to quit Facebook.

Re: Actual Facebook Graph Searches

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Post by derleth »

corporalagumbo wrote: post #69
GuiA wrote: post #50

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>A snarky and mean-spirited stereotyping of all nerds as socially inept! How clever. Not at all. I'm just willing to bet that the average Facebook employee has never had to hide his sexuality/political/religious beliefs for fear of execution/incarceration/abuse to his family/etc. Yet a non-negligible part of Facebook's user base are people precisely in this situation. That being said, the very fact that you call what…

I think by 'silliness' he's referring to "Girls who live nearby who are single and like Getting drunk!" Fair call in my opinion. I made this point in another post: the take-away from this link shouldn't be how bad it was of Facebook to not realise that making available powerful search tools for already-public data might put some people in an unfortunate spotlight. The real take-away is that we shouldn't live in a wor…

> we shouldn't live in a world where people should be scared to be openly gay in Iran, or openly a Falun Gong member in China. Those are the things we should focus on and try and change.

Right. Wonderful. How?

Re: Actual Facebook Graph Searches

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Post by psbp »

corporalagumbo wrote: post #91
psbp wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you can create services which achieve the same function as facebook while making a dispersion of self and novelty apparent to its users. I'm not arguing monetization, but the means and consequences of exploiting users responsibly.

Yet again, I struggle to make sense of what exactly you're trying to say. You're using a lot of big words, but not necessarily making your point clear. What does "making a dispersion of self and novelty apparent" mean?

The ability to express your self uniquely among different groups of people without residual consequences, and the ability to explore disparate interests in the same way.
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