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Re: Dear brilliant students: Please consider not doing a PhD.

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What did she do her PhD in? Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall seeing it in her article/rant. I'm on the second semester of getting a PhD in chemical engineering and so far I love it. My undergraduate school was much more of a time-sink (then again, it was rated one of the least happy schools in the US). Right now, I can do my research anywhere and anytime I feel like it. I get to use the world's best equipment at…

Perhaps share your thoughts with us after you have completed your PhD as well?

Re: Dear brilliant students: Please consider not doing a PhD.

#22
Note that there is a huge difference between the UK PhD and the US PhD process. In the UK you are left to your own devices for 3 years, and only find out if the external examiner even approves of your research questions in the one and only final verbal exam. It is up to you alone to ensure the research is valid and makes a contribution. US PhD candidates have a lot more guidance and handholding that includes 4 years of structured training, followed by the presentation of a research plan that is signed off by examiners before any research is begun so there are no surprises in the final examination.

Re: Dear brilliant students: Please consider not doing a PhD.

#23
I just finished up a Master's in Computer Science. It took 5 years; my initial advisor died and I had to find another one to step in. I went deep into debt (no funding) and finally switched over to a part-time study while I worked full time. Unfortunately, it was just that point when the real research was ramping up. I remember nights where I would be falling asleep as I crammed my code in to see it work. Then more nights as I wrote and wrote and wrote. Generally my entire work took place after 5pm and continued until sometime after 10 or 11. I spent hours reading papers in my field.

It was wonderful.

I am not saying that I loved staying up late; I am not sure that I did great in my day job. The experience of learning and studying for the sake of the learning was one of the most fulfilling in my entire academic career.

Now, I want a PhD. Because I know of no other way forward to where I am tasked with advancing our field, publishing the result, and building a paying career on that. I want to take the knowledge of a field into the next place. From what I can tell, generally you have to be "someone special" to do serious (by which I mean paid) research without a PhD, particularly publishable research (by which I mean serious work advancing the field), and I'm not particularly special; just tenacious. I'm pretty sure I'm stupid enough to launch onto the 4-7 year journey to get the drek piled higher and deeper. Maybe I'm not smart enough to get in. That's OK. I'll still take my best shot, and if I fail, so be it. I won't live with the regret of not having tried.

I think there's something amazing about the idea of creating an original work, and then telling everyone who cares (a very small audience) about it. Part of my task will be to open up the details of what I did and tell people about it; to publish this and move the world forward in knowledge, by a very small amount. There is so much terrible crap involved in the academic world, but it pales in comparison to industry. Some of the commentators lament being broken and bitter due to the everlasting stress without any control over their circumstance. I see this every day in industry. I might be naive, but I don't think it can be worse in the PhD. My MS was pretty much lousy, but it was better than seeing people get inculcated into industry and grow bitter and tired.

I want a PhD.

Re: Dear brilliant students: Please consider not doing a PhD.

#24
As others are saying in this thread, I find myself disagreeing with almost every point the author makes about doing a PhD. I'm just about to hand in my thesis after 3 and half years of doing a PhD in theoretical physics in the UK. I've published 2 papers and have a third in preparation so I feel like my PhD has been 'good'. In contrast to the author, I've worked on my PhD no more than 40 hours a week, often less since I've also spent a lot of time building up a website and a business that I hope to pursue full-time afterwards. I also haven't been 'broken' in anyway - sure it was tough at times, but I'm leaving my PhD feeling more intelligent and more energised that I ever did. The experience of pushing myself into the unknown and having to learn a lot in a short time has been very beneficial, and I now feel like there is little knowledge that I couldn't master given the time. So all in all, a very positive experience. Sure my research isn't particularly groundbreaking, but the personal development that has come with my PhD has been huge.

Re: Dear brilliant students: Please consider not doing a PhD.

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My experience was quite different from that of OP, and I suspect most people who walk that path. I'm 56 in a few days, and got my PhD in computer science in 1983. I was lucky enough to go to a high school that had a real computer, a PDP-8M, and I was hooked five minutes after I sat down at the DecWriter. At college, I was theoretically pre-med. A month into my freshman year (1974), I went to a party at the house of a…

> My PhD adviser was a wonderful man, low-key, with some fun things he was investigating, but he wasn't building an empire, built on the backs of enslaved grad students. We were just looking at interesting problems together.

That sounds like so much fun.

Hey, what was your PhD on? Can you talk about the product you shipped?

Re: Dear brilliant students: Please consider not doing a PhD.

#26

What did she do her PhD in? Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall seeing it in her article/rant. I'm on the second semester of getting a PhD in chemical engineering and so far I love it. My undergraduate school was much more of a time-sink (then again, it was rated one of the least happy schools in the US). Right now, I can do my research anywhere and anytime I feel like it. I get to use the world's best equipment at…

For what it's worth, I'd say that most of the warnings in this article don't really apply until after your first year or two (though it certainly varies a lot between different schools and different fields). If you're in your second semester of a PhD program, you've gotten a taste of grad school, but almost by definition you haven't had time to hit the "my last year's worth of work went nowhere" point discussed here, for example. Heck, if you're in the USA you're probably still taking classes at this point.

Maybe your experience will continue to be mostly positive, but I don't think you'll be in a position to really judge this article for at least a couple more years.

Re: Dear brilliant students: Please consider not doing a PhD.

#27

What did she do her PhD in? Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall seeing it in her article/rant. I'm on the second semester of getting a PhD in chemical engineering and so far I love it. My undergraduate school was much more of a time-sink (then again, it was rated one of the least happy schools in the US). Right now, I can do my research anywhere and anytime I feel like it. I get to use the world's best equipment at…

Perhaps share your thoughts with us after you have completed your PhD as well?

Sure, just give me a couple more years ;) But cschmidt shared his, and his sentiments are positive.

Re: Dear brilliant students: Please consider not doing a PhD.

#28

My experience was quite different from that of OP, and I suspect most people who walk that path. I'm 56 in a few days, and got my PhD in computer science in 1983. I was lucky enough to go to a high school that had a real computer, a PDP-8M, and I was hooked five minutes after I sat down at the DecWriter. At college, I was theoretically pre-med. A month into my freshman year (1974), I went to a party at the house of a…

You're 18 years older than me, but our paths are certainly similar. I also did a PhD because I liked the university lifestyle, didn't want a job, and wanted to keep messing around with my honours project for a few more years. I think did a 20 month post-doc before working out that to get promotion I had to game the system in the same cynical way as everyone else was trying to do, so I quit and quickly failed at running my own startup.

Now I'm writing software for someone else's startup. It's not what I'll do forever, but it's helping replace the academic programmer in me with a real software engineer, and keeping me interested as I learn new techniques.

Re: Dear brilliant students: Please consider not doing a PhD.

#29
21.3: the type of person she's writing for. I might not call myself "brilliant", but I was a good undergraduate student and a PhD seemed like the next and most respectable step. Anything else was selling out.

21.4-22.0: usual pre-PhD stuff like GREs and those ungodly applications where they make you list textbooks going back to freshman year calculus. Then there were the rejections, the acceptances, and the prospective student meetings. Those were fun.

22.1-23.2: in graduate program (math PhD) until internship on Wall Street turned into full-time offer. Did not return for 2nd year.

23.2-29.6 (now): variety of experiences in industry, some good, some not-so-good. Sometimes wish I could go back for a PhD in CS, but I realize that the opportunity cost of 5 years' income is, at this point, a house everywhere except Manhattan (where it's still a few decihouses).

Here are some observations:

If you're funded, a PhD program isn't that bad. It can be stressful, or it can be a lot of fun. You will probably fall behind with the opposite sex. Your lifestyle will be lower-middle-class. Your social life will be weird. You can't hang out with undergrads anymore, because the first thing you learn (late September, usually) is that college was a different planet to which you can never go back. I had an undergrad girlfriend for a little while, and the contrast between her concerns and mine was stark. Grad school is part of the Real World, and not a financially flush one. Hence, you don't really have much in common with young professionals (who are enjoying having money until the kids arrive and they're strapped again) either. Other grad students are your social pool, and inter-departmental interaction is rare.

It's hard. Self-study in addition to courses is no longer optional. Procrastination will ruin your life. College encourages specialization and creativity: write for a sketch comedy group, go to poetry slams, play cards till 5:00 in the morning, get sloppy drunk once a month (actually, you're not missing out if you skip that). Grad school doesn't. You might have time for one extracurricular activity. Don't start it until you've had a successful first year. You need to become an adult, and quickly. People who manage their time and money like a 28-year-old seem to do OK. They aren't always happy, and there's still a lot of opportunity cost in pursuing a graduate degree, but these people manage to get through it and enjoy the process. People who try to relive college do not.

I don't think graduate school is this horrible wringer for most people. Some are unhappy, but many of them would be unhappy anywhere. Some love it. It comes down to personal and technical maturity, as well as desires. To complete a PhD, you really have to have to want a research career.

What is horrible is the job market people face after their PhDs. That is an outright disaster. But that's another topic.

Re: Dear brilliant students: Please consider not doing a PhD.

#30
A Ph.D. is not something to be entered into lightly (and many do). I don't regret doing mine at all, but you shouldn't do it with the expectation that you'll get a professorship at the end, and for God's sake, don't go into debt to get one. Only do it if you want to spend a few years researching a subject in depth. And realize that there's a big, big world outside the walls of Academe :-).
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