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Re: iPad Hack Statement Of Responsibility

#21

Post by pcl »

zmanji wrote: post #5

If anyone thinks weev deserves any sympathy, you don't know the full story. weev had malicious intent and wanted to harm AT&T by exposing users data. Instead of doing anything remotely rational he took all the data and wanted to sell it. Laws take into account indent (mens rea) and there is a lot of evidence in his indictment that he wanted to profit off this act. He shouldn't be compared to Aaron Swartz

Laws take into account indent (mens rea)

That should be "intent", fyi. Legal code is not nearly as whitespace-sensitive as is Python.

Re: iPad Hack Statement Of Responsibility

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Post by RyanZAG »

zmanji wrote: post #5

If anyone thinks weev deserves any sympathy, you don't know the full story. weev had malicious intent and wanted to harm AT&T by exposing users data. Instead of doing anything remotely rational he took all the data and wanted to sell it. Laws take into account indent (mens rea) and there is a lot of evidence in his indictment that he wanted to profit off this act. He shouldn't be compared to Aaron Swartz

Seriously? That you actually believe his punishment fits the crime is incredibly saddening. If even the top voted comment on a site that understands the issue believes the punishment is appropriate, imagine the discussion in a law firm or in parliament. Anybody in the USA touching a computer will be in trouble soon. Can't wait for the next batch of laws.

Re: iPad Hack Statement Of Responsibility

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Post by Centigonal »

pprd wrote: post #12
zmanji wrote: post #5

If anyone thinks weev deserves any sympathy, you don't know the full story. weev had malicious intent and wanted to harm AT&T by exposing users data. Instead of doing anything remotely rational he took all the data and wanted to sell it. Laws take into account indent (mens rea) and there is a lot of evidence in his indictment that he wanted to profit off this act. He shouldn't be compared to Aaron Swartz

People that describe themselves as trolls are generally bigoted idiots and I feel no sympathy. I'm sorry if that's a stereotype but I can't help myself, the internet hasn't been nice to me.

Whether they're bigoted or idiotic shouldn't affect how the law affects them, though. If the person committing this crime was a nice, inoffensive guy, would the law remain justified?

Re: iPad Hack Statement Of Responsibility

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

whyenot wrote: post #19
lawnchair_larry wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no indication he wanted to sell it. He wanted to embarrass AT&T, and that isn't a crime. Changing the number in a URL is not identity fraud. This is exactly the same thing that was thrown at Aaron, even if you don't find the target as sympathetic. "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to…

That does not appear to be true. From the Ars Technica article on the case: "Auernheimer then helped Spitler refine his script to harvest a large number of valid e-mail addresses of iPad 3G users, suggesting that a huge data set would be needed to "direct market iPad accessories" or start a "future massive phishing operation," noting that the data breach would be "huge media news."

That is a joke. He is a troll. He makes satire videos and makes statements like that left and right. His security company was called "goatse security" and it was an ASCII picture of an anus.

This might be offensive, juvenile, or unfunny, but it's nothing remotely close to criminal. The feds took a private IRC log out of context and pasted it into the indictment.

This is not what the prison system exists for, and we are all worse off for using it this way.

Re: iPad Hack Statement Of Responsibility

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Post by ericHosick »

The internet was created by "hackers" and is kept running by "hackers". The only way to make the internet more secure is through "hackers".

Government, and the laws that are drafted, will not make the internet more secure. My general feeling is that laws against hacking will only result in a less secure internet. This, in turn, will lead to more laws against hacking. And so on...

Re: iPad Hack Statement Of Responsibility

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Post by Centigonal »

pcl wrote: post #21
zmanji wrote: post #5

If anyone thinks weev deserves any sympathy, you don't know the full story. weev had malicious intent and wanted to harm AT&T by exposing users data. Instead of doing anything remotely rational he took all the data and wanted to sell it. Laws take into account indent (mens rea) and there is a lot of evidence in his indictment that he wanted to profit off this act. He shouldn't be compared to Aaron Swartz

Laws take into account indent (mens rea) That should be "intent", fyi. Legal code is not nearly as whitespace-sensitive as is Python.

One time, I indented my code with five spaces instead of four.

I did this because I despised Guido van Rossum, whom I think is unjustly beardy[1], and wanted to embarass him.

I was convicted of two consecutive five-year felonies, and am now awaiting sentencing.

[1] https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14204175/screencaps/AwesomeRossum.j...

Re: iPad Hack Statement Of Responsibility

#29

Post by miw-sec-work »

weev still thinks that AT&T 'published' this information. AT&T had no intention on 'publishing' this information, he abused their system in order to obtain it, then he leaked it.

No weev, you found a bug in their web app, then _YOU_ willfully published other peoples personally identifying information for your own fame and glory. Unfortunately, someone who's name and details you leaked didn't like that, and called in a favor. The DoJ came after you hard.

Your little tech crunch article chooses to omit crucial facts, and you are riding on the back of AAron Swartz again. You are nothing like AAron.

Re: iPad Hack Statement Of Responsibility

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Post by rayiner »

RyanZAG wrote: post #23
zmanji wrote: post #5

If anyone thinks weev deserves any sympathy, you don't know the full story. weev had malicious intent and wanted to harm AT&T by exposing users data. Instead of doing anything remotely rational he took all the data and wanted to sell it. Laws take into account indent (mens rea) and there is a lot of evidence in his indictment that he wanted to profit off this act. He shouldn't be compared to Aaron Swartz

Seriously? That you actually believe his punishment fits the crime is incredibly saddening. If even the top voted comment on a site that understands the issue believes the punishment is appropriate, imagine the discussion in a law firm or in parliament. Anybody in the USA touching a computer will be in trouble soon. Can't wait for the next batch of laws.

Punishing people for purposefully disclosing private information that is clearly not intended to be public is the path to "everyone touching a computer will be in trouble soon?" You act as if he was just playing around on his own computer minding his own business when the big bad government broke his door down.

In Texas, they don't convict homeowners who shoot trick or treaters trespassing on private property: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/In_Texas_can_you_shoot_someone_for....

Don't act so surprised and imposed upon that a culture that very much respects fences sees something wrong with intentionally poking your nose where it doesn't belong, online or offline.

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