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Re: Anti-Apple Anger

#21

Post by aetherson »

rayiner wrote: post #19

I think one phenomenon is that Android users have more experience with iOS than vice versa. I've been pretty much iOS/OS X-only since 2005/2006, I honestly don't know what's up in Android land these days. And, aside from an ill-fated tryst with Windows Phone 8, I'm not super interested in what's happening in Android land. I don't feel compelled to comment on Android threads because I don't really care. But I feel lik…

Good call.

I live in the bay area, and originally got on board with an Android phone because AT&T's service in this area was terrible (and, at the time, iPhone meant AT&T). I did this knowing, at the time, that Android was an inferior product, carrier aside.

So I spent a good deal of time watching the iPhone, watching my Android, and watching Android catch up with the iPhone. When I recently bought another Android phone, it was a considered opinion that, for my needs, Android was now a superior product to iOS.

And, with that background, it's almost irresistible to tell people who've been living in iOS land and seem to think that the state of Android today is the same as the state of Android three-four years ago, about all the things that I've been watching happen in that time.

Re: Anti-Apple Anger

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Post by anthonyb »

seiji wrote: post #10
bitcartel wrote: post #3

Did a horse with blinkers write the article? > "I’ve noticed a very clear trend among tech sites I read: Android fans are unusually quick to fill the comment box with rage on articles that mention anything positive about Apple or its products. The reverse — Apple fans leaving angry comments on pro-Android articles — is almost completely absent from the sites I’ve seen"

One example of many: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2013/01/sport_app.htm...

That doesn't seem to be 'rage' to me:

    Good to hear that an Android version is on the way
    but why have iOS devices been prioritised yet again
    by the BBC in the release of an app?

    I'm getting really annoyed about the BBC's obsession 
    with Apple products that only account for around 20% 
    of the UK market.

    Poor show BBC. For an organisation who are supposed 
    to be platform neutral ..., there seems to be a steady
    and consistent bias shown towards Apple at the expense
    of the other platforms.
or perhaps "really annoyed" is what passes for rage in the UK? ;)

Re: Anti-Apple Anger

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Post by thechut »

CR45H wrote: post #20

"But I never see Microsoft fans attacking Android fans, or vice versa. And the rise of anti-Apple anger has risen dramatically as Apple has been so successful in recent years." Seriously? Is he completely blind. The amount anger aimed at Google/Android from the Microsoft camp over the past year has been deafening. For me it's the other way around. I no longer see Microsoft fans attacking Apple (like they used to). No…

Yes, this is the exact same feeling I got from reading the article.

He can't scold people for making Anti-Apple comments while he is making an extremely pro-Apple standpoint. It just does not come off as genuine. Instead of more partisan arguments (to use his analogy) we need actual discussions about each platforms respective shortcomings.

But many people are not qualified to have an objective discussion about these platforms because in many cases naysayers have only used the platform they prefer.

Re: Anti-Apple Anger

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Post by CR45H »

jmduke wrote: post #2

A lot of the elitism (or at least what I consider elitism) from Gruber, Arment, Siegler et all is incredibly off-putting to me -- and I own a MacBook Air, iPad, and iPhone. That being said, I think this is an incredibly well-reasoned and well-crafted explanation of the massive chasm between Apple 'fanboys' and Apple 'haters' -- and explains to me why, as a current zealot of the iOS ecosystem, I nonetheless find so mu…

I'm sorry, but there was nothing "well-reasoned and well-crafted" about that article. He does come off as an Apple elitist, that's true. But how can he explain the chasm between Apple 'fanboys' and 'haters' when he clearly does not understand and perhaps has never used the other platforms? This to me is Apple elitism at it's worst. It may be a bit more polished but, ultimately, it's no different than the thousands of other Apple fanboy posts that fill the internet.

Re: Anti-Apple Anger

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Post by yareally »

rayiner wrote: post #19

I think one phenomenon is that Android users have more experience with iOS than vice versa. I've been pretty much iOS/OS X-only since 2005/2006, I honestly don't know what's up in Android land these days. And, aside from an ill-fated tryst with Windows Phone 8, I'm not super interested in what's happening in Android land. I don't feel compelled to comment on Android threads because I don't really care. But I feel lik…

Average Android user I would be skeptical about, but ones that frequent the forums generally know their own devices fairly well (many are former iPhone owners at some point or switch back and forth). However, I would say that many of them also take cheapshots at Apple to defend their own positions better by claiming things that are absolutely not true (e.g. Android gets similar battery life with the same battery capacity, Android performance with Dalvik/Java is as good as native performance on iOS, a 5+ inch phone is easy to hold [Note 2]).

Perhaps the most amusing thing I have heard are users that claim Android phones 2 years ago are as good as the iphone 5 is now. Perhaps if you rooted and installed Cyanogenmod[1] you got around a lot of the crap Android used to have or lacked and improved performance somewhat, but no way was the hardware or software of the Galaxy S or HTC Desire anywhere as good as the iPhone of today when it was stock.

Galaxy S for one had that horrible RFS proprietary filesystem that Samsung stuck on it and was a mess to try to use stock. The rooting/modding community would later fix that by formatting it to ext4 after some extensive work. One thing I can say about the Galaxy S though is its testament to stand up to time and still running the latest version of Android. You can grab a Galaxy S off ebay for well under $100 in great condition, root/unlock it and flash Cyanogenmod 10.1 on it (Android 4.2.1) and it runs quite well for 2.5 year old hardware. Part of that is due to it sharing near identical hardware to the Nexus S, but it's still quite amazing.

[1] http://www.cyanogenmod.org/

Re: Anti-Apple Anger

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Post by thechut »

jmduke wrote: post #2

A lot of the elitism (or at least what I consider elitism) from Gruber, Arment, Siegler et all is incredibly off-putting to me -- and I own a MacBook Air, iPad, and iPhone. That being said, I think this is an incredibly well-reasoned and well-crafted explanation of the massive chasm between Apple 'fanboys' and Apple 'haters' -- and explains to me why, as a current zealot of the iOS ecosystem, I nonetheless find so mu…

You are absolutely correct.

In fact, it is this (the elitism), that makes me hate Apple and their products more than any lack of feature in iOS ever could.

Re: Anti-Apple Anger

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Post by CR45H »

yareally wrote: post #16
bitcartel wrote: post #3

Did a horse with blinkers write the article? > "I’ve noticed a very clear trend among tech sites I read: Android fans are unusually quick to fill the comment box with rage on articles that mention anything positive about Apple or its products. The reverse — Apple fans leaving angry comments on pro-Android articles — is almost completely absent from the sites I’ve seen"

I'm an admin on a larger Android forum and I'm generally one of the first to refute anything untrue that Apple haters will ignorantly spout. I can't stand when either side will parrot statements they hear from like-minded sites without ever being objective and seeking out the truth while putting aside personal bias. Like someone else mentioned here about some iphone users being quick to take cheap shots at an ecosyst…

Thanks for your hard work. This is indeed a problem in every corner of the internet (Android forums included).

Re: Anti-Apple Anger

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Post by yareally »

CR45H wrote: post #27
yareally wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an admin on a larger Android forum and I'm generally one of the first to refute anything untrue that Apple haters will ignorantly spout. I can't stand when either side will parrot statements they hear from like-minded sites without ever being objective and seeking out the truth while putting aside personal bias. Like someone else mentioned here about some iphone users being quick to take cheap shots at an ecosyst…

Thanks for your hard work. This is indeed a problem in every corner of the internet (Android forums included).

Thankfully, I don't see it too often except around release dates and the month or so after. It sort of erupts around then and settles afterwards. I try to avoid most places online that get into such disputes, but I would assume it's generally the same elsewhere?

Re: Anti-Apple Anger

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Post by manicdee »

mhd wrote: post #4

Most people don’t care about technology choices as much as we do. And this is where he lost me.

The "we" in that context is clearly the readers of his magazine or blog.

You clearly need to train Reading Comprehension to V.

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