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Anti-Apple Anger

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Re: Anti-Apple Anger

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A lot of the elitism (or at least what I consider elitism) from Gruber, Arment, Siegler et all is incredibly off-putting to me -- and I own a MacBook Air, iPad, and iPhone. That being said, I think this is an incredibly well-reasoned and well-crafted explanation of the massive chasm between Apple 'fanboys' and Apple 'haters' -- and explains to me why, as a current zealot of the iOS ecosystem, I nonetheless find so mu…

At least there's always Siracusa.

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A lot of the elitism (or at least what I consider elitism) from Gruber, Arment, Siegler et all is incredibly off-putting to me -- and I own a MacBook Air, iPad, and iPhone. That being said, I think this is an incredibly well-reasoned and well-crafted explanation of the massive chasm between Apple 'fanboys' and Apple 'haters' -- and explains to me why, as a current zealot of the iOS ecosystem, I nonetheless find so mu…

Ditto. I'm hesitant to use the word "elitism" to describe the outspoken Apple fans, but it's especially aggravating when someone writes up extremely harsh reviews or descriptions of a competing product when it doesn't act or perform in the way that matches their ideal.

Also, I know everyone has the right to freedom of speech and such, but I find it to be somewhat disgusting and irresponsible for people with large followings to take cheap shots at competing platforms just to get people riled up.

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Did a horse with blinkers write the article? > "I’ve noticed a very clear trend among tech sites I read: Android fans are unusually quick to fill the comment box with rage on articles that mention anything positive about Apple or its products. The reverse — Apple fans leaving angry comments on pro-Android articles — is almost completely absent from the sites I’ve seen"

I've observed (non scientifically I concede) the same thing than Marco. Also another thing he wrote I find particularly true is the need for Android users to try to convince others people to switch to Android as if there was no good reason to own an iPhone. That's strange.

Totally agree, I personally don't go into Android posts with the intent to convert people over to my "team". I might post a comment relating to my experiences when they run contrary to what is being posted, but by and large I don't want to act pompous about the platform I use being the "one true platform". I do notice a large amount of android users seem to love apple stories and to immediately launch into diatribe mode. Which just makes me not want to bother reading android or apple articles entirely.

Both sides need to chill out and realize we don't need another Ford versus Chevy debate with Android/Apple. They get tiring and aren't very productive.

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Most people don’t care about technology choices as much as we do. And this is where he lost me.

He's talking about tech-leaning folks who visit sites like The Verge, not Apple users specifically, though I can see how easy that would be to misread.

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Did a horse with blinkers write the article? > "I’ve noticed a very clear trend among tech sites I read: Android fans are unusually quick to fill the comment box with rage on articles that mention anything positive about Apple or its products. The reverse — Apple fans leaving angry comments on pro-Android articles — is almost completely absent from the sites I’ve seen"

I'm an admin on a larger Android forum and I'm generally one of the first to refute anything untrue that Apple haters will ignorantly spout. I can't stand when either side will parrot statements they hear from like-minded sites without ever being objective and seeking out the truth while putting aside personal bias.

Like someone else mentioned here about some iphone users being quick to take cheap shots at an ecosystem/platform that does not coincide with their own personal interests or usage, some Android users ironically do the same. Frankly, I think it's all a little silly to get so worked up over a portable pc that also makes phone calls.

Example of such silly threads on an Android forum (and this is one of the more mild ones, since I was moderating some of the worse parts): http://rootzwiki.com/topic/33928-what-do-you-think-of-the-ip.... This was actually like 10-15 separate threads since everyone thought they needed their own personal one in their own device subforum. We ended up merging them all together as they happened and stuck them in the off-topic forum to help detour the nonsense somewhat.

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Did a horse with blinkers write the article? > "I’ve noticed a very clear trend among tech sites I read: Android fans are unusually quick to fill the comment box with rage on articles that mention anything positive about Apple or its products. The reverse — Apple fans leaving angry comments on pro-Android articles — is almost completely absent from the sites I’ve seen"

I've observed (non scientifically I concede) the same thing than Marco. Also another thing he wrote I find particularly true is the need for Android users to try to convince others people to switch to Android as if there was no good reason to own an iPhone. That's strange.

I've observed (not scientifically as you say) the opposite. In fact, just yesterday there was some 'Android sucks Apple's great' stuff going on in the comments on an article on The Verge, which is actually one of the sites he directly says he visits.

It's hard to take Marco et al seriously anymore.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've observed (non scientifically I concede) the same thing than Marco. Also another thing he wrote I find particularly true is the need for Android users to try to convince others people to switch to Android as if there was no good reason to own an iPhone. That's strange.

Totally agree, I personally don't go into Android posts with the intent to convert people over to my "team". I might post a comment relating to my experiences when they run contrary to what is being posted, but by and large I don't want to act pompous about the platform I use being the "one true platform". I do notice a large amount of android users seem to love apple stories and to immediately launch into diatribe m…

Totally agree. One should like technology for the sake of what it is and what it does for us. The approach guys like Woz take to various devices regardless of brand is one that everyone should try to emulate.

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I think one phenomenon is that Android users have more experience with iOS than vice versa. I've been pretty much iOS/OS X-only since 2005/2006, I honestly don't know what's up in Android land these days. And, aside from an ill-fated tryst with Windows Phone 8, I'm not super interested in what's happening in Android land.

I don't feel compelled to comment on Android threads because I don't really care. But I feel like Android users have an idea of why they chose Android over iOS and feel compelled to educate people in these threads.

Re: Anti-Apple Anger

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"But I never see Microsoft fans attacking Android fans, or vice versa. And the rise of anti-Apple anger has risen dramatically as Apple has been so successful in recent years."

Seriously? Is he completely blind. The amount anger aimed at Google/Android from the Microsoft camp over the past year has been deafening. For me it's the other way around. I no longer see Microsoft fans attacking Apple (like they used to). Now, they almost always attack Android/Google.

One more thing. If Apple didn't start the fanboy culture, they certainly took it up a notch. Apple fanboys/girls have been filling the internet with crap for years. Now that Android has become so popular, a lot of people that used to feel marginalized have decided to jump on the bandwagon and they are taking every opportunity to vent.

Overall I find this all quite disturbing but not for the same reasons as the original author who quite honestly, comes across as a bit of an elitist. He does make some good points when he explains that these are different platforms with different pros/cons and everyone will never agree to use the same platform. However, it is evident that he just doesn't know anything about anything other than Apple. The new Microsoft products (Windows Phone 8, Windows RT, Windows 8 App Store) are not open platforms. They are indeed just as closed as iOS (and much more so than OSX).

In fact I wish that all of the fanboys/girls online would spend their time discussing the real differences between these companies and what the net effect is on users. Maybe then we could get some things fixed. For example I am an Android user and, though I REALLY LIKE Apple products, I will not purchase and use a device that I cannot gain root access to. The way I see it, if it's Apple's device to control, than I am merely renting it. On the other hand, one thing that Apple has impressed me with is how they have taken away control from the phone companies. This is where I wish Google would fight harder. I want to see a real Nexus device on every carrier. Anyway, I feel these are things that merit real discussion, consensus building, online petitions, etc....

...fanboy bickering is pointless and deconstructive. In the end we, as users, need to forget about being fanboys and learn to be activists.

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