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Google Earth puts North Korea Labour camps on the map

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Re: Google Earth puts North Korea Labour camps on the map

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Post by malandrew »

CrankyPants wrote: post #14
Shivetya wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, they have cell phones. http://www.wsbradio.com/news/news/local/growing-problem-cell...

Also, they were convicted in trials, for violating laws that were written by an elected legislature, and signed into law by an elected president. They were also provided an attorney, and have an appeals process at their disposal. Seriously, yes, our prison system is really, really screwed up, but we got here largely out of public myopia and apathy, and to indicate we arrived at this place for reasons bearing any simi…

Actually, they probably weren't convicted in trials, especially if their crimes were federal. 90% of them are probably there due to taking a plea bargain. They may or may not be guilty, since plea bargaining makes a guilty plea with a lighter sentence more attractive than proving your own innocence in a way that guarantees financial ruin and risks an extremely harsh sentence.

Re: Google Earth puts North Korea Labour camps on the map

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Post by alexqgb »

malandrew wrote: post #21
CrankyPants wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, they were convicted in trials, for violating laws that were written by an elected legislature, and signed into law by an elected president. They were also provided an attorney, and have an appeals process at their disposal. Seriously, yes, our prison system is really, really screwed up, but we got here largely out of public myopia and apathy, and to indicate we arrived at this place for reasons bearing any simi…

Actually, they probably weren't convicted in trials, especially if their crimes were federal. 90% of them are probably there due to taking a plea bargain. They may or may not be guilty, since plea bargaining makes a guilty plea with a lighter sentence more attractive than proving your own innocence in a way that guarantees financial ruin and risks an extremely harsh sentence.

If it was a Federal trial, then they're in Federal prison, not the system run by Georgia, which is what we're discussing here.

Re: Google Earth puts North Korea Labour camps on the map

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Post by tunesmith »

alexqgb wrote: post #23
malandrew wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, they probably weren't convicted in trials, especially if their crimes were federal. 90% of them are probably there due to taking a plea bargain. They may or may not be guilty, since plea bargaining makes a guilty plea with a lighter sentence more attractive than proving your own innocence in a way that guarantees financial ruin and risks an extremely harsh sentence.

If it was a Federal trial, then they're in Federal prison, not the system run by Georgia, which is what we're discussing here.

There are Federal prisons in Georgia.

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Post by thoughtcriminal »

samstave wrote: post #13

Just had an interesting thought: what would be the legal implications should a private party mount a recon drone effort against North Korea? Assume there was some way to launch small-ish drones from international waters and fly them to such stated labor camps to take pictures/do whatever which did not include any weapons? What if this effort was a decentralized grass roots activism effort? Assume DPRK was to simply a…

More people need to think proactively like you. Just think, if HN created a design / strategy wiki so that the resourceful, intellectual minds here could collaborate on a rescue plan. The results could be amazing - and potentially historic.

What kind of wiki would be good for uploading technical drawings, member discussions etc?

Re: Google Earth puts North Korea Labour camps on the map

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Post by elmofromok »

the_gipsy wrote: post #5
rmc wrote: post #2

Misleading title. Google did not mark the labour camps, a human rights activist made a map of the labour camps with Google Earth.

"putting on the map" does not imply marking

Actually, I think it does. It implied action taken by Google to find the data and add it to the map. Huge difference between Google decided to take these actions and add the data and Google built a tool that allows others to do the same.

Re: Google Earth puts North Korea Labour camps on the map

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Post by LatvjuAvs »

CrankyPants wrote: post #14
Shivetya wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, they have cell phones. http://www.wsbradio.com/news/news/local/growing-problem-cell...

Also, they were convicted in trials, for violating laws that were written by an elected legislature, and signed into law by an elected president. They were also provided an attorney, and have an appeals process at their disposal. Seriously, yes, our prison system is really, really screwed up, but we got here largely out of public myopia and apathy, and to indicate we arrived at this place for reasons bearing any simi…

I will slap my wife a little, here and there, not much, she deserves it, but damn, have you seen what Joe have done to his wife, he broke her arm and sent her to hospital, he is a monster!

Re: Google Earth puts North Korea Labour camps on the map

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Post by jpatokal »

motters wrote: post #18

Are there any other similar prison camps elsewhere in the world, or is North Korea unique?

North Korea is unique in the sheer brutality and scale of the system, but Myanmar/Burma has remote prison camps and the Russia's present-day version of the Gulag is no picnic either.

Myanmar: http://www.magnumphotos.com/C.aspx?VP3=SearchResult&ALID...

Russia: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/10/ins...

Re: Google Earth puts North Korea Labour camps on the map

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Post by alexqgb »

tunesmith wrote: post #24
alexqgb wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it was a Federal trial, then they're in Federal prison, not the system run by Georgia, which is what we're discussing here.

There are Federal prisons in Georgia.

I made the mistake of assuming that labor camps were found in State systems only. I have since found out about Unicor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Prison_Industries

Re: Google Earth puts North Korea Labour camps on the map

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Post by malandrew »

alexqgb wrote: post #29
tunesmith wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are Federal prisons in Georgia.

I made the mistake of assuming that labor camps were found in State systems only. I have since found out about Unicor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Prison_Industries

It's also incredibly likely that plea bargaining is responsible for much of the convictions at the state level as well. I'd be very surprised if a pathology at the federal level didn't exist at the state level as well.
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