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Re: Why the Fuck?

#351

My fellow HNers: It does depress me, daily, that I do not have a career in physics or chemistry or biology or medicine where I could work on "big problems." The simple truth is, I'm not smart enough, I don't work hard enough, and I've been napping when opportunity knocked a few times in my life. That being said, sometimes a man in a saloon has a few drinks and yells at the television, telling the coach of some footba…

Well then shut up and go do something better. I'm not sure how to read this as anything but a passive-aggressive complaint that _other_ people aren't doing more about these problems. You try to disqualify yourself from the responsibilities you imply for others, but the fact is we can all be more diligent, if we like, and we can all do work to improve the lives of others. Guess what? If you _seriously_ try to help oth…

> shut up

No. You can say that all you want, and I defy you. You're welcome to suggest that there is some better use of my time, but there is nothing more chilling to freedom of thought and expression than someone saying "That thought is too rude, too lame, to annoying, cuts too close," or whatever else and therefore cannot be uttered.

It's like "Let he is without sin cast the first stone." That's a passive-aggressive way of trying to cut criticism out of society.

Re: Why the Fuck?

#352

Funnily enough, this is exactly why I gave up on software development and went to study a degree in the biosciences. Ten years of fixing crappy websites, writing dull database interfaces, troubleshooting bugs in shit code written by people who didn't give a damn -- and for what purpose? The paycheck was good but money is not everything. It felt like such a colossal waste of life. My mind is my best asset - I want to…

I've gone the other way. I started out as a medical tech. It's the same thing every hour, every day. Usher in a patient, do a test. Usher in a patient, do a test. There's no real scope for 'using your mind', but you are directly helping people. At least I saw patients - some medical scientists do nothing but pippette things all day, doing pretty much the same thing as assembly-line factory work. I know one that got RSI of the elbow from endless pippetting.

If you want to 'use your mind' to help people, then either get a job that has some form of diagnostics in healthcare, or build healthcare products in a company in the industry. I moved from medical tech to support at a company that made our equipment to R&D in the same company. You can still do IT things and help people in a medical sense. Just because you don't see the patients directly doesn't mean that the software you build isn't helping them.

It sounds like you've found a good place to be, but I thought I'd throw in my 2c that IT is not a sort of 'by definition not helping'.

Re: Why the Fuck?

#353

My fellow HNers: It does depress me, daily, that I do not have a career in physics or chemistry or biology or medicine where I could work on "big problems." The simple truth is, I'm not smart enough, I don't work hard enough, and I've been napping when opportunity knocked a few times in my life. That being said, sometimes a man in a saloon has a few drinks and yells at the television, telling the coach of some footba…

dude, pick one angle and stick with it. if it depresses you 'daily', then go learn the computer science and make the algorithms you want to see. otherwise, live your life and enjoy it. and please just shut the fuck up about how hard you've got it.

I don't have diabetes, Scott Hanselman has diabetes. If everyone with "first world problems" followed your advice and shut up, how would we every hear about anything except AIDS, Malaria, or Gun Violence?

Which woman would speak up about diversity in conferences if the response was "Shut the fuck up and organize a conference."--Oh, wait...

Re: Why the Fuck?

#354
post #21

Because research pays terribly and not everyone has the luxury of martyrdom. Want to be a grad student? 80-90% pay cut. (Unless you go to Switzerland and then it's closer to 70%). Want to be a university research programmer? 70% pay cut. Removing economic considerations, would I rather be researching auto-immune disease? Sure. But 'doing good' means compromises like buying a house at 45 instead of 35. No one asks doc…

"buying a house at 45 instead of 35" is an economic considerations, no? ;)

In the case you had $2M: Have you consider that reasearch problem are far longer and thus far less exciting than the ones we, programers, are used to solve?

Re: Why the Fuck?

#355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2. There are regulatory obstacles for businesses. As someone in the biotech space, this is by far the biggest factor. When you are dealing with humans, crashes and bugs mean deaths. Deaths mean increased regulation, often under the mistaken assumption that more rules would prevent engineers from making bugs. Modern testing and build systems might, but regulators aren't keen to change their testing systems, many of wh…

We need the FDA to regulate drugs and medical devices. There's too much potential for quackery. I don't think removing the FDA is going to find a cure for diabetes. It's a fundamental research problem at this stage. Stem cells are showing some potential as a future cure. See the article below. http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/252759.php We need more funding for medical research. PhDs should not be low-paid la…

Let's go point by point.

1) Regarding diabetes and the FDA:

  I don't think removing the FDA is going to find a cure for 
  diabetes.
Well, before the FDA as such even existed, Banting and Best came up with the idea for insulin supplementation in 1921. A patient was treated by 1922. They won the Nobel Prize by 1923. Today's FDA would have made their methods completely impossible and they would have been criminally prosecuted.

http://www.nobelprize.org/educational/medicine/insulin/disco...

  Early in 1921, Banting took his idea to Professor John 
  Macleod at the University of Toronto, who was a leading 
  figure in the study of diabetes in Canada. Macleod didn't 
  think much of Banting's theories. Despite this, Banting 
  managed to convince him that his idea was worth trying.

  In January 1922 in Toronto, Canada, a 14-year-old boy, 
  Leonard Thompson, was chosen as the first person with 
  diabetes to receive insulin. The test was a success. 
  Leonard, who before the insulin shots was near death, 
  rapidly regained his strength and appetite. The team now 
  expanded their testing to other volunteer diabetics, who 
  reacted just as positively as Leonard to the insulin 
  extract.

  The news of the successful treatment of diabetes with 
  insulin rapidly spread outside of Toronto, and in 1923 the 
  Nobel Committee decided to award Banting and Macleod the 
  Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine.
  
Point: the FDA need not exist to make progress against diabetes. That is, federal regulation is not a necessary condition.

2) Regarding type I vs. type II errors:

  We need the FDA to regulate drugs and medical devices.   
  There's too much potential for quackery. 
So that is the key question: is the goal to allow rapid technological progress or is the goal to prevent quackery? You can of course eliminate all quackery by rejecting all new devices (high false negative rate), and many major innovations sound like quackery at the beginning. Here's another Nobel Laureate, Barry Marshall.

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/20...

  The extreme skepticism of my colleagues led me to believe   
  that I might never be funded to perform the crucial trial 
  of antibiotics...  I realized then that the medical 
  understanding of ulcer disease was akin to a religion. No 
  amount of logical reasoning could budge what people knew in 
  their hearts to be true. Ulcers were caused by stress, bad 
  diet, smoking, alcohol and susceptible genes. A bacterial 
  cause was preposterous.
3) Regarding researcher income:

  We should be paying medical researchers similar incomes to 
  engineers at Silicon Valley tech firms.
The thing is that the entire higher education establishment is about to crash hard with the student loan bubble. I think an alternative paradigm is to reduce the equipment costs associated with starting a bio lab, via diybio.org, biocurious.org, openpcr.org, and the like. This goes in hand with broadly reducing capital costs (regulatory + equipment). In so doing it will become easier to do biotech startups with a Valley culture, and the salaries will follow.

4) Concerning stem cells:

  California taxes are funding one of the biggest research 
  efforts into stem cells.
Nothing against CIRM, they're fantastic. But the FDA is forcing the resulting stem cell startups overseas.

http://blogs.nature.com/news/2012/10/texas-stem-cell-provide...

  Last September, Nature predicted a stem cell showdown in 
  Texas, between the FDA and a company providing unproven 
  stem cell treatments, and that seems to be happening. In a 
  severe “warning letter” posted on the agency’s website this 
  week (but dated September 24, 2012), the FDA told 
  Sugarland, Texas-based Celltex Therapeutics Corporation 
  that its stem cell products fall under FDA regulation and 
  need to be approved before use in patients.

  The letter is a challenge to new regulations that the Texas 
  Medical Board put in place in April, which had made FDA 
  approval an option, not a requirement. Those regulations 
  state that doctors injecting stem cells into patients need 
  FDA approval or the approval of a local institutional 
  review board (IRB). The warning letter makes clear that the 
  FDA expects its approval to be mandatory—effectively 
  replacing the “or” with an “and”.
http://gizmodo.com/5881492/according-to-the-fda-your-stem-ce...

  In recent court filings, the Food and Drug Administration 
  has asserted that stem cells—you know, the ones our bodies 
  produce naturally—are in fact drugs and subject to its 
  regulatory oversight. So does that make me a controlled 
  substance? The bizarre controversy revolves around the 
  FDA's attempt to regulate the Centeno-Schultz Clinic in 
  Colorado that performs a nonsurgical stem-cell therapy 
  called Regenexx-C.

5) At the end of the day

  We need the FDA
You might want to look at the FDA Alumni Association (http://fdaaa.org) or the membership list of the Alliance for a Stronger FDA (http://strengthenfda.org/members/).

Why is it in Roche's interest to lobby for a stronger FDA? Because FDA alumni are hired by large manufacturers to lobby the FDA and increase barriers to entry for startups. When you get into the details of how regulations are actually enforced, it is all about relationships/politics/press coverage and has very little to do with technical merit.

I could go on in this vein...among other things, you might be interested in the fraction of pre-1938 drugs and pre-1976 devices that are routinely prescribed from an ostensible age of quackery.

However, the fundamental idea is not really to convince people who want the FDA that it should continue to exist, but to get a critical mass of people who don't want the FDA to create a place where it does not have power. Then you and those who agree with you can reside in the US, where the FDA has sole authority. And we can opt-out of the FDA, as both patients and entrepreneurs.

This is going to require thinking outside the confines of the United States and US politics, but the payoff will be nothing short of a revolution in the pace of biomedical innovation.

Re: Why the Fuck?

#356

My fellow HNers: It does depress me, daily, that I do not have a career in physics or chemistry or biology or medicine where I could work on "big problems." The simple truth is, I'm not smart enough, I don't work hard enough, and I've been napping when opportunity knocked a few times in my life. That being said, sometimes a man in a saloon has a few drinks and yells at the television, telling the coach of some footba…

Well then shut up and go do something better. I'm not sure how to read this as anything but a passive-aggressive complaint that _other_ people aren't doing more about these problems. You try to disqualify yourself from the responsibilities you imply for others, but the fact is we can all be more diligent, if we like, and we can all do work to improve the lives of others. Guess what? If you _seriously_ try to help oth…

You can make this point perfectly well without being so nasty.

Re: Why the Fuck?

#357
post #37

To launch a Facebook clone you sign up for Heroku or AWS, push some Rails code, and start promoting yourself. To launch a medical device you spend years cutting through regulation and red tape, negotiating with and marketing to an industry that is probably threatened by your existence and will do its best to stop you. Screw up at Facebook, you get yelled at on Twitter and your share price dips for a few days. Screw u…

> Screw up a medical device, you get sued out of existence. Or, you know, people die.

http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TheracTwentyFive

Re: Why the Fuck?

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Essentially he's asking why person-hours are expended on things that make the most money rather than things that are important, for some definition of important. There are several answers to that. 1. The most obvious is that people need to make a living. People can and do work at some discount in order to work on things they think are important, but it rarely stretches as much as 10x. I expect most workers either don…

Am I wrong in thinking that, if you actually did solve the kinds of problems mentioned in the article (obesity, diabetes, etc.) that your resulting business would make a lot of money? Is it really "makes more money" that keeps people working on ad-optimization, and not a simpler reason like "that is the kind of mathematical problem with an algorithmic solution that the analytical brain of a programmer can solve"? It'…

The critical distinction here is between how much something would make, and how much it would make per person-hour.

Re: Why the Fuck?

#359
If you get right down to it, the end goal of anything and everything is absurd. Life is a runaway exploding self-catalyzing chemical reaction and its ultimate goal is the replication of aperiodic crystals. It so happens that the replication process involves some fiendishly complicated side effects, rube goldberg to the goldbergth power machinations (viz. multi-cellular plant and animal bodies) which are very very interesting indeed.

So what if the smartest minds are focussed on getting clicks? That is only an issue if there weren't very interesting side effects, like indexing megatons of information and making it accessible by a simple search interface.

In fact, I would encourage Google to get its smartest minds to do focus on insulting everyone in the universe in alphabetical order. Space travel, here we come.

Re: Why the Fuck?

#360
post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's an old saying that applies to this: Don't throw with stones when you live in a glasshouse. I can't really give much respect to people that don't follow their own advice and that rant with profanity at people that make a difference in the world to at least 1 billion people (Google and FB combined).

>>I can't really give much respect to people that don't follow their own advice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

He said respect, there was no judgement as to correctness or not. I for one also don't respect hypocrites.
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