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Does having a high IQ make you less creative?

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Re: Does having a high IQ make you less creative?

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This was a better and more original blog post than I expected from the title. The finding from the Terman study is rather important, and should be more widely known. The definitive book about the Terman study, written by a Stanford University Press Office science journalist who was the first independent researcher to have access to study files, is Joel Shurkin's Terman's Kids (1992). https://www.kirkusreviews.com/boo…

Thank you! Im from Uruguay so my native language is Spanish. I've learned english mainly by playing videogames (I kid you not) as a kid, as Warren Buffett says "We prefer process over outcome" so It was a fun way to do it.

I started learning English with videogames too. I bought an English translation dictionary that was about half my weight to play Zak McKracken, on a 286 my dear avó owned. My tipping point came much later, with a pretty and sweet native English speaking girlfriend.

Great read by the way.

Re: Does having a high IQ make you less creative?

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When he went through the "how do I become smart" section, I was expecting these to be creative techniques, as these are the ones I frequently use in the day.

Inversion: Flipping the problem on it's head. You want to fill up a water bottle as quickly as you can? What about emptying it as fast as possible? The second one may be easier to solve, and gives you additional insight into the problem you want to solve.

Avoidance: This is more general, but don't look up what you want to find on the internet. Look for something more specific, or don't look it up at all. I forget exactly what it was, but one time I wanted to find something easily online, but I didn't want to get the answer right away (waiting to get an answer invests more of your neurons to the answer). I searched for the harder things first. Also, looking things up will show you the way that other people solved the problem, not the way that you solved the problem. It taints the waters when you look online for something you're trying to be creative about.

Compound Interest: The pathways you make between ideas today will be useful tomorrow. The training exercises you subject your brain to today will pay off tomorrow. I like to imagine a river whenever I think about the 'flow' of ideas in my brain. The river is always flowing, but some days it moves more of the bottom of the river. Sometimes, you'll uncover something cool, sometimes not. Rediscovering the bottom constrains you to similar thoughts, just going a little bit deeper. You likely won't get new ideas from the bottom of the river. You need your flow to branch out, to expand and see where it goes. Use some of your brain flow to bifuricate your brain flow and find something new. Maybe it will bring you back to your main river, or maybe you'll find something new.

Tipping Points: When thinking of something new, blowing the problem up to infinity, or extremely large (or maximum), or extremely small (or minumum) can put an instant perspective on what needs to happen and whether or not a solution is even possible.

Lollapaloozas: The creative slide. I call this mental momentum - when you start having good ideas, you continue having them (until you run out of steam). They may not truly be good, but the more ideas you have in a set amount of time, the more power they having in breaking down the barriers that are preventing your thoughts from going further.

Re: Does having a high IQ make you less creative?

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There's something I keep wondering about whenever I see people draw any conclusions whatsoever from IQ alone: How can it not matter whether a particular score was achieved by being equally good at all tasks or by being very good at some and very bad at other tasks? I would expect a totally different outcome to many IQ related studies if that were taken into account. Or maybe it is actually taken into account but neve…

Empirically, the score on the whole IQ test is highly correlated with the score on any subset of the questions. There is a difference between scores on verbal/symbolic and visual/spatial questions that depends on the testee, but it is usually modest except in cases of severe brain damage or malformation.

Re: Does having a high IQ make you less creative?

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post #17

I can't reference any studies or anything, but my personal experience is that passion trumps all. The problem with passion is, you don't have much of a choice. One might have a passion for gardening, whereas another might have a passion for computers. The gardener has a lower chance of being "successful" and "making a difference" (in the standard capitalist/western sense).

Many studies have found that IQ predicts financial success regardless of childhood socioeconomic background or profession. Running a chain of greenhouses lack the flashiness of, say, particle physics, but it can be both profitable and socially important.

Re: Does having a high IQ make you less creative?

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post #6

It's tempting to look at IQ as a potential for everything, but as one having access to a lot of ultra-smart people (I'm doing PhD in theoretical physics) it's very easy to see that creativity lies on a different axis. And during studies I've met many people who were able to solve very hard mathematical problems, but at the same time - were seemingly unable to create new ones on their own. (And also, creativity many t…

the problem is that for higher IQ's you at the end of the distribution so the effect of errors is much higher maybe the two Nobels just had a cold or a bad day when they took the test. And how do you factor conditions like dyslexia in I have seen suggestions that dyslexics score 15 or 20 points off so by that mark I am a genius :-)

When it comes to IQ - think as is you wanted to assign one number to describe individual's sport ability. It will serve[x] some purpose for average (from bed-ridden ill to a healthy athletic person), but most likely - it will be almost useless for sports(wo)men, where more specialistic predispositions are required (sometimes contradictory; e.g. a great heavy weight boxer won't be even an amateur marathon runner).

[x] Actually, it's used in military, to rate conscripts - if they should be enrolled.

Re: Does having a high IQ make you less creative?

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> I admire people who participate here even though they didn't grow up speaking English at home. I concur. It is, however, why I wish that there was a side-channel specifically for notifying someone of grammar or spelling issues. It'd be useful to let people know if they're using non-standard constructions without the notification being public. Email would be overkill for this purpose.

Something like TL;DR ... maybe ESL (English Second Language) at the top would work. Though starting that practice means someone will eventually come on hacker news and complain that putting ESL at the top is redundant because they can tell from the writing that the person has English as a second language ;)

That's not a sidechannel. That's adding noise to the main channel.

Re: Does having a high IQ make you less creative?

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post #50

To respond to the title, having a high IQ does not make you less creative. Simple. As for the Terman study, I think people with high IQ scores don't "go places" mainly due to laziness, lack of ambition (failing to see the point in it all), or due constant harassment by those envious of their intelligence or those that feel inferior, or those that see an easy target. After years of taking a beating many end up leading…

Ambition and perseverence is really the key. Over and over again, I've read of famous people attributing their success to perseverence. Some examples: "Godlike genius.. Godlike nothing! Sticking to it is the genius! I've failed my way to success." -- Thomas Edison "Let me tell you the secret that has led me to my goal. My strength lives solely in my tenacity." -- Louis Pasteur "Men give me credit for genius; but all…

I agree. It's not everything, but perseverance is the difference maker, much like (a positive) attitude.
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