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Why trees can't grow taller than around 100 metres

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Re: Why trees can't grow taller than around 100 metres

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In contrast, http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5083564 describes a 2004 study that gives 130m as the limit, and claims a world record of 125m. Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperion_(tree) is 115m. However, this theory is less observational; that, IMO, makes it a better one, even if the maximum height it predicts is of by 10% or so. In fact, that is fairly typical for scaling laws. For example, bumblebees and…

Iirc albatrosses actually can't take off from the ground. They need to jump off a cliff with an updraft. So they're very careful about where they land.

Re: Why trees can't grow taller than around 100 metres

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In contrast, http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5083564 describes a 2004 study that gives 130m as the limit, and claims a world record of 125m. Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperion_(tree) is 115m. However, this theory is less observational; that, IMO, makes it a better one, even if the maximum height it predicts is of by 10% or so. In fact, that is fairly typical for scaling laws. For example, bumblebees and…

Iirc albatrosses actually can't take off from the ground. They need to jump off a cliff with an updraft. So they're very careful about where they land.

> Iirc albatrosses actually can't take off from the ground

Of course they can.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKTfcs6LL6A

Re: Why trees can't grow taller than around 100 metres

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This doesn't seem to preclude a tree that's taller than that, but simply an outlier in its leaf size. Unless I'm misunderstanding something...

The New Scientist article isn't very clear. The paper proposes that tall trees are unable to gain energy from leaves above a certain length (my not great understanding is that a larger leaf can generally move more energy than a shorter leaf, but a longer stem can only move so much, limiting the useful leaf size).

Re: Why trees can't grow taller than around 100 metres

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>>Sugars accelerate as they move That's no way to describe the diffusion gradient. Also, this paper does not cover all of Plantae, so for all we know, other Embryophytes may be limited in height by an entirely different factor.

The creatures that we call trees, and the Earth had experimented with a lot of different types of trees, are in fact much higher if we count the roots.

Yes, but the tallest trees (California redwood) have shallow root systems (a couple meters). Are there trees commonly over 100 meters counting the roots?

Re: Why trees can't grow taller than around 100 metres

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In contrast, http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5083564 describes a 2004 study that gives 130m as the limit, and claims a world record of 125m. Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperion_(tree) is 115m. However, this theory is less observational; that, IMO, makes it a better one, even if the maximum height it predicts is of by 10% or so. In fact, that is fairly typical for scaling laws. For example, bumblebees and…

Oops, apparently, one can get upvotes for giving a reference to the thread one is posting in. That first link should have been http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3643899.stm

Re: Why trees can't grow taller than around 100 metres

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iirc albatrosses actually can't take off from the ground. They need to jump off a cliff with an updraft. So they're very careful about where they land.

> Iirc albatrosses actually can't take off from the ground Of course they can. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKTfcs6LL6A

Hmm...

Having now gone back and researched that a little better, it's only Waved Albatrosses I was thinking of and sources seem to disagree on whether they can take off from flat ground or not. They certainly prefer a cliff, and will make a long walk to get to one if necessary.

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