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U.S. Senator Questions Attorney General about Aaron Swartz

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Re: U.S. Senator Questions Attorney General about Aaron Swartz

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This is the same hyperpartisan Senator who was at the forefront of the effort to deny habeas rights to Guantanamo inmates; he was also involved in the Bush wiretapping scandal. Expect to see lots of superficial genuflection from Republicans towards the Swartz case; the GOP is in a constant low-grade conflict with the Democratic DoJ. Here, let me put it this way: what do you honestly think Aaron Swartz would think abo…

But if a Democrat were to have written the same letter, that would have been ok with you? Then he wouldn't have been "a clown"?

Here we have a Senator who is at least drawing attention to the situation, but that isn't welcome because he comes from the wrong side of the aisle?

I'm sure Cornyn is using this for political gain. Of course he is. But if you think there is anyone in Washington who isn't motivated by political gain then your being very naive.

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The other commenter on this thread is right - this is classic poisoning the well. When a politician does something right - and Cornyn's letter asks far more pointed and on-point questions than I expected - the correct response is not to bring up everything you feel the politician has ever done wrong. My views, your views, and Cornyn's views about gay marriage aren't particularly relevant here.

The questions are great. The guy, though, is a horror. That's all I'm saying.

Geesh, and all anyone else here is saying that his political beliefs on anything else aren't relevant to anyone who is genuinely interested in helping the cause that Aaron fought for. Cornyn, for whatever his agenda might be, is trying to help. And that isn't good enough for you because he's a Republican. And that is just pathetic partisanship.

You're blasting Corynyn because you don't agree with his politics. Fine. But that has absolutely nothing to do with anything here.

Re: U.S. Senator Questions Attorney General about Aaron Swartz

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I wouldn't be so sure of that. Try reading the comments on any Boston globe article about this affair. Ortiz has strong support from law-and-order voters and many people in Massachusetts outside of tech; in addition to Swartz, she's been very aggressive in her prosecution of corruption and misconduct in the state government. She has a compelling back story and (at least before this) was blessed by Deval Patrick. I th…

"These are the sad realities of politics in Massachusetts." This is the sad reality of America. But the trouble is us (the people). The average American has the attention span of a gnat.

"This is the sad reality of America" This is the sad reality of a democratic system. People have short memories.

Re: U.S. Senator Questions Attorney General about Aaron Swartz

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This is the same hyperpartisan Senator who was at the forefront of the effort to deny habeas rights to Guantanamo inmates; he was also involved in the Bush wiretapping scandal. Expect to see lots of superficial genuflection from Republicans towards the Swartz case; the GOP is in a constant low-grade conflict with the Democratic DoJ. Here, let me put it this way: what do you honestly think Aaron Swartz would think abo…

But if a Democrat were to have written the same letter, that would have been ok with you? Then he wouldn't have been "a clown"? Here we have a Senator who is at least drawing attention to the situation, but that isn't welcome because he comes from the wrong side of the aisle? I'm sure Cornyn is using this for political gain. Of course he is. But if you think there is anyone in Washington who isn't motivated by politi…

Try imagining GP comment as being directed towards those who believe that someone who agrees with you on a few issues is your eternal faithful ally and someone who disagrees with you on a few issues is a partisan demagogue who will oppose you at every turn. There appear to be many such people commenting on HN stories related to this series of events.

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No, I'd say that's a fair request. This Senator is asking some important questions in a very succinct way that could bring reform, and tptacek is publicly trying to discredit and undermine him. tptacek should support that statement.

I think chc's point is that it takes less time to google "Cornyn Guantanamo" and "Cornyn wiretapping" than it does to post the question here, and will produce a better answer to boot.

And I think ddrt's point is that even if one does google as you're saying, they may not end up with the same information that had the person arrive at the conclusion.

In this case its valid. Yes we can google it, everyone here knows how to do that. The bigger problem is knowing from where people got their information.

Re: U.S. Senator Questions Attorney General about Aaron Swartz

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I think chc's point is that it takes less time to google "Cornyn Guantanamo" and "Cornyn wiretapping" than it does to post the question here, and will produce a better answer to boot.

And I think ddrt's point is that even if one does google as you're saying, they may not end up with the same information that had the person arrive at the conclusion. In this case its valid. Yes we can google it, everyone here knows how to do that. The bigger problem is knowing from where people got their information.

Hey, if you Googled it and somehow ended up with the impression that Cornyn might have supported granting Habeas Corpus rights and opposed the Bush Administration's wiretapping, that would definitely be worth a post raising the issue. But that wouldn't happen, because this isn't a fuzzy or subjective matter.

A Senator's stances on issues like these are simple, objective, easily falsifiable facts. This is one or two steps away from demanding a citation for "Barack Obama is a Democrat." Like, if you can't easily figure out for yourself whether it's true or false, the only possible reason is that you didn't care enough to try.

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Senator Obama voted the opposite on a few of those, but as president seems to have few problems with the Patriot Act and Guantanamo. So let's not kid ourselves that Congress has much say in the manner.

Congress is THE body which has say in the matter. Obama's attempts to move suspects to the continental US from Guantanamo were suppressed by Congress. If you are going to excuse Congress, then who are you going to hold responsible?

Obama has the power of veto and executive order, does he not?

Every power grubbing slimeball in D.C. is responsible. My only point was that just because Senator X doesn't share your values, don't think opposing him or her is going to make much difference right now.

Re: U.S. Senator Questions Attorney General about Aaron Swartz

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This is silly and disingenuous partisanship. It isn't at all a "anti-republicans" thing in his comment. It is a "hey this guy may be doing this good thing, but don't go about declaring him 'a good guy strictly on our side' (for whatever side that happens to be), he's done these other things that a lot of people are against". Its a sanity check.

Let's repost tptacek's comments, to see how partisan they are: >"Expect to see lots of superficial genuflection from Republicans towards the Swartz case; the GOP is in a constant low-grade conflict with the Democratic DoJ." Any show of support of the GOP for Aaron Swartz is "superficial genuflection" driven by partisan conflict. Doubtless, Democratic support would be considered genuine. >"Here, let me put it this way…

What's reasonable to me is: not putting any politician on a pedestal. They all suck for a lot of reasons.

Unfortunately, you see it on web forums all the time that people have no medium or long term memories: basically they see some politician agreeing with them on some topic and there is much raving about how awesome that person is. Two weeks later, the same politician is against the prevalent view on some other topic, and they are the devil incarnate.

Further there is a trend in these discussions to turn everything into "this guy is from this party, so that party is on my side!" craziness, and piles of confirmation bias start happening.

So I see comments on how various parties will spin any event and posture themselves towards it, with references to a larger political climate - such as the one you quoted first - not as "anti-$PARTY" or "hate", but as a reminder that the politicians are always playing, a "here is the game now" statement.

Similarly, regarding your second quote, calling a politician a clown, is not anti republican anything. The senator has a history of open access, but also has a questionable history in larger civil liberties contexts. The senator posturing himself as a champion of Aaron Swartz because of the open access issue, is just that. We've seen a lot of stuff lately reminding us of Aaron's stance on, e.g. Chomsky and the concept of manufactured consent. This politician is in fact doing what Aaron didn't like in the manufactured consent game. It is a reasonable statement to point it out. Note: when the framing of this as "Obama's DOJ" and other types of strong political gaming that will occur around this, no one will mention Ortiz has been a US Attorney since 1997, and therefore doing this sort of action for many administrations. It will turn into a discussion of which party is responsible, rather than a reasonable discussion about what should be done about an actual problem.

In this context, it is reasonable for anyone who wants to address the problem, rather than the politics, to take steps in discussions like this to remind everyone that the person in question may in fact agree with them on this issue, but they, and the party they represent certainly don't agree on every issue. This is a giant problem - the thinking that any party agrees whole-heartedly with your stances, or that any given politician has the right answers to all problems.

Finally it should be noted that tptacek gets accused of hating just about every single group that exists at some point. It seems he is in that rare place of "he thinks for himself", and so gets these sorts of "super partisan" accusations about hating the democrats a lot too. Isn't it great when your knee jerk defense of your chosen favorites causes you to attack someone who regularly gets attacked for being too much on your side?

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