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12 year meditator here. You describe well the process of cleansing/polishing the memory. > I found it impossibly hard to keep meditating on my own Couple things to keep in mind: 1. Daily practice in some form is the real key. Just get up and do it. 2. There will be ups and downs, high and lows in meditation. 3. Vipassana is a pretty austere form of meditation. You are directly confronting the mind with little outside…
I couldn't find an email to shoot you a message, so I'm responding here. I meditated for a few months back in 2006 and it was fantastic. I, too, have trouble maintaining it. What other sorts of practices would you recommend?
Vipassana: 10 days of solitude and insights gained from it
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Regarding #3, when practicing Vipassana as taught by Goenka, you do indeed start with anapana, both in the courses (the first 3 1/2 days are only focusing on breath) and in daily practice.
By breathing technique I am referring to something slightly different than watching and counting breaths, which in itself is somewhat austere and easy for the mind to wander. You also are inherently relying on the mind to keep track of things. How to achieve no-mind using the mind? This is tricky. I was referring more along the lines of pranayamas, mantras and other techniques that drive the mind into submission. The…
These techniques must put pressure on some deep, otherwise unconscious levels of the mind, and then produce responses closer to the "hardware" level. I'd love to see more research done in this area.
(Note: I don't practice Vipassana, but different, yet overall somewhat similar, techniques of a school of yoga - and I mean yoga in the traditional sense, not the bastardized "female yuppie gymnastics".)
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#33I completed my first 10 day Vipassana course recently, and genuinely believe that a slightly modified version of the course should be an essential component of any person’s psychological maturation/development. The course I did was the ‘Goenka course’ (dhamma.org), and I would recommend it to anyone interested in learning more about meditation. It is free of charge to attend, and you can actually only donate to the o…
To me, it seems like 10 days can barely begin cracking the ice, so to speak. I think even more powerful results would be achieved by removing yourself from your normal environment for 10 days (just go somewhere else and do something unusual), and then go and do the 10 day meditation boot camp.
But of course, very few people can afford the luxury of spending so much time away from work, family, etc. That's just an unfortunate fact of life.
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#34i have recently done the 10 day course and it was one of the best things i have ever experienced. have continued meditating (near) every day because it keeps me returning to a sense of deep calm and focus and enjoyment – feelings prior far more rare even tho i would have described myself as happy and digging life. the new digging is at a deeper level and much of what i used to perseverate upon seems reduced in import…
I'm happy for you! >> practically the whole notion of "intellect figuring out and resolving issues", seems now completely a misguided process" Makes me feel like all the book learning I ever did was all for naught (aside from technical learning that helps me do my job).
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#35I loved about the course: - Amazing food - Donation/karma-driven sustainability. Sort of Open Source Meditation :) - Silence (no bullshit talking and no bullshit listening for 10 days) - Heightened sense of creativity achieved - Heightened sense of humor achieved - Great attention to needs to everyone from organizers. - It's funny - I always gave funny nicknames to everyone. I didn't mind: - Goenka parables. I didn't…
30...60 min twice a day to maintain gains or continue progress seems to be the norm in any meditation system anywhere.
To maintain living status you need to keep breathing 24/7, every single minute, continuously.
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#37I once read a book called adrift [1], a true story about a man adrift at sea, alone, for 76 days. The main takeaway that I recall was the profound loneliness and the desire for human contact that he experienced. I sometimes think of this I'm with friends and family, to try to really appreciate the moments that I'm with them. Luckily, I don't feel the need to impose 10 days of solitude on myself to obtain this realiza…
even though you don't talk to or engage with people, the experience does not ring of aloneness actually. i felt incredibly connected to other participants and at the end when you begin talking again, there's a wonderful sense of camaraderie. made a bunch of new friends.
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#38A bunch of people are taking the vow already, and I'm excited and hoping it works for them and is the beginning of a more zen life. We'll see. I welcome everyone to try.
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1-2 hours daily meditation is definitely not impossible, especially if you think it is important. How many people spend 1-2 hours daily at the gym?
That's the point though. I have around 2 hours of free time on the evenings, and I spend that time in the gym. I definitely do not have an additional 1-2 hours for meditation. That said, gym is a very therapeutic experience for me. It helps me empty my mind of all stress-causing stuff in my life (e.g. work) and I get to focus on just one thing: lifting weights. I also gain additional benefits such as being strong as…
I had the exact same experience with lifting.
But I've found an even more powerful vacuum-cleaner for the mind: racing sportbikes. Squeeze the throttle, hear the engine climb above 10,000 RPM, and feel the mighty rush of speed, and poof! your mind is crystal clear, free of all the daily junk.
http://florin.myip.org/blog/engines-joy
But meditation is better than all of the above. It seems like it tinkers with the hardware directly, whereas the other methods are more round-about.
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#40At first, things were fine. I adjusted to the silence quickly enough, the food was simple but nutritious, and didn't mind the meditation (other than the pain in my legs and back, but my request to sit on the back wall was granted). However, mid way through (I think the 5th day), I went to sleep and experienced a sensation I had never (to my memory) had before... as I closed my eyes, I'd experience bursts of not too pleasant images (some of a sexual nature, some more grotesque, etc...). Each image would last roughly a couple of seconds, before moving onto the next. When I opened my eyes, the images were gone, when I closed my eyes the images reappeared straight away.
At this point, I freaked out. I was worried that I'd done damage to my brain. Unable to sleep, and feeling like I had to make conscious effort to breathe, I contemplated what I could do. I didn't want to turn on the light (I had a roommate), nor did I want to spoil the course for anyone else by making too much noise, so I just stayed in bed, awake, for as long as I could (I calmed down a little in this period). I eventually struck up the courage to get up and speak to one of the course supervisors. Speaking to him helped, he advised me to try to rest and he'd arrange for me to speak to the course teacher in the morning... eventually I did get some sleep.
I spoke to the course teacher. He reassured me this was all part of the process (such visions are not unheard of, but of course I can't say for sure if you'll get them too), the way its sold is that its part of your body letting go of these thoughts. I was not convinced. Furthermore, whilst I saw the people running the course (including Goenka) were kind hearted people, I felt isolated, unable to talk to those with a more neutral perspective.
Later on, I also took unkindly to the late night teachings, which again were well intentioned and in some ways comforting, but occasionally said subtly hurtful things. For example, love between couples was described as a business arrangement (I'll love you if you love me). If you weren't paying attention such comments would slip by, but at this point I was trying to fend for my own sanity so I was paying more attention to such things.
That being said, I do believe meditation can be beneficial, just not in the way the course was led (this is just my experience, other people found the course beneficial). If they had taught the technique alone, and asked you to practice it (without trying to tell you what it all means, about your ego slipping away, etc...), then I think I would've taken to it more kindly. Buddha was supposed to have emphasised experience over verbal teaching, so I personally believe teaching the technique with simpler guidance would be appropriate. I also believe meditation is a good way to come to terms with the eventuality of death.
Again, I cannot tell you what you'll experience, and as you can see from comments here it worked for others, but just in case you try it and it doesn't work for you, please know you are not alone.