Live data from Hacker News

Vipassana: 10 days of solitude and insights gained from it

curiousjuice.com

1–10 of 93 posts

Re: Vipassana: 10 days of solitude and insights gained from it

#2
I completed my first 10 day Vipassana course recently, and genuinely believe that a slightly modified version of the course should be an essential component of any person’s psychological maturation/development. The course I did was the ‘Goenka course’ (dhamma.org), and I would recommend it to anyone interested in learning more about meditation. It is free of charge to attend, and you can actually only donate to the organization if you complete the full 10 days.

The course is almost entirely rational and in the spirit of honest scientific inquiry. The rules seem arbitrary and silly but they are very helpful in quieting your mind, and enabling you to focus entirely on the practice at hand. It took me until Day 3 to let myself relax and enjoy the absence of tweets, posts and text notifications rather than feel anxiety about being disconnected. Assuming one is there for 240 hours, I only have an issue with ~5 of those hours being a bit ‘woo-woo’ as The Amazing Randi would say. I think of Goenka (the videos used in the evening lectures are available on youtube) as a kindly grandparent who just wants the best for you but occasionally tangents into bullshit. Despite his continual admonishments to only believe what is rational, he seems to genuinely believe the magical stories surrounding the Buddha, and it was distracting to have to segue from ‘this is a genuine insight into how the mind generates its own suffering’ to ‘oh wait he is talking BS’. If one replaces some of his more magical terms that are almost Freudian (ie Sakarnas) with 'Maladaptive neuronal connections' they actually make sense.

The sheer number of hours one is able to practice in this setting really accelerates the development of concentration/mindfulness. I think of the ~110 hours spent meditating during the course as equivalent to 220 days worth of 30minutes/day practice, and feel like I have ‘time traveled’ past 60% of a year of training. Happy to answer specific questions if anyone is considering attending a course.

Re: Vipassana: 10 days of solitude and insights gained from it

#3
I once read a book called adrift [1], a true story about a man adrift at sea, alone, for 76 days. The main takeaway that I recall was the profound loneliness and the desire for human contact that he experienced. I sometimes think of this I'm with friends and family, to try to really appreciate the moments that I'm with them. Luckily, I don't feel the need to impose 10 days of solitude on myself to obtain this realization (nor the other realizations the gained by the author of the post).

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrift:_76_Days_Lost_At_Sea and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Callahan

Re: Vipassana: 10 days of solitude and insights gained from it

#5

I completed my first 10 day Vipassana course recently, and genuinely believe that a slightly modified version of the course should be an essential component of any person’s psychological maturation/development. The course I did was the ‘Goenka course’ (dhamma.org), and I would recommend it to anyone interested in learning more about meditation. It is free of charge to attend, and you can actually only donate to the o…

I agree with you 100% - I think it should be an essential component of any person’s psychological maturation/development, and I felt the same way in regards to the "woo-woo."

One way I describe it to my friends is a "meditation boot camp." They break you down so that you can build yourself up. It's not that they break you down, but the environment (no speaking, reading, writing, etc...) is one where you are stuck in your own head for 10 days without distraction - so a lot of your "issues" come out. And you then learn to deal with them through mindfulness.

I had panic disorder before going and nothing really helped. During my 10-day course I had really bad panic attacks often. But meditation has pretty much "cured" me of them, because I now know how to observe them without reaction.

Re: Vipassana: 10 days of solitude and insights gained from it

#6

I completed my first 10 day Vipassana course recently, and genuinely believe that a slightly modified version of the course should be an essential component of any person’s psychological maturation/development. The course I did was the ‘Goenka course’ (dhamma.org), and I would recommend it to anyone interested in learning more about meditation. It is free of charge to attend, and you can actually only donate to the o…

I completed my (first and only, but definitely not last) 10 day vipassana retreat few years ago and i can completely support everything uberuberuber said. Definitely one of the most transforming and interesting experiences in the last years.

To anyone interested in the practice, i can recommend reading [0]. Personally, i started by reading this book and doing some practice at home. After about half a year i attended the retreat (same as uberuberuber). Those retreats are offered worldwide, follow the same rules and are all donation based. List of centers in north-america at [1].

[0] http://vipassana.org/meditation/mindfulness_in_plain_english...

[1] http://www.dhamma.org/en/bycountry/na/

Re: Vipassana: 10 days of solitude and insights gained from it

#7
I loved about the course: - Amazing food - Donation/karma-driven sustainability. Sort of Open Source Meditation :) - Silence (no bullshit talking and no bullshit listening for 10 days) - Heightened sense of creativity achieved - Heightened sense of humor achieved - Great attention to needs to everyone from organizers. - It's funny - I always gave funny nicknames to everyone.

I didn't mind: - Goenka parables.

I didn't like: - After suddenly switching to raw/vegetarian food - you'll be running to the bathroom for an explosive, nasty dragon fart breaks day and night. - No clear plan to maintain gains. They suggest 1-2 hours daily meditation afterwards which is impossible to maintain.

Overall: five stars (Quebec mountains location)

Re: Vipassana: 10 days of solitude and insights gained from it

#8
While I'm glad the author got useful insights into conventional reality, the article sets a counterproductive tone about the point of the practice.

Vipassana is about directly seeing impermanence, dissatisfaction, and lack of self in all sensations. The point of practice is to elevate your skill in seeing those. Because direct comprehension of the so-called three characteristics can reboot the mind in a way that is very analogous to how we reboot the computer and remove malware.

Vipassana is not about helping you deal with your psychological issues at the level of content. Its not a therapist-substitute. In fact it will often make matters (temporarily) worse, if you actually follow the instructions and do the practice.

Spending your meditation time pondering your "issues" is the biggest rookie mistake you can make. People can do this for years, and never get anywhere in their practice.

If you want to spend some time alone and contemplate your life, thats great and quite possibly useful, but don't call it Vipassana.

Re: Vipassana: 10 days of solitude and insights gained from it

#9

I completed my first 10 day Vipassana course recently, and genuinely believe that a slightly modified version of the course should be an essential component of any person’s psychological maturation/development. The course I did was the ‘Goenka course’ (dhamma.org), and I would recommend it to anyone interested in learning more about meditation. It is free of charge to attend, and you can actually only donate to the o…

>'Maladaptive neuronal connections'

That's a mouthful, and just as obscure for most people. Might as well go with "Sarkana" - it's easier to pronounce. Besides, the script worked well for a few thousand years now, there is hardly a reason to change it now.

But yeah, if you're scientifically inclined and the ancient Indian mythology is rubbing you the wrong way, you can safely skip it, and it still makes perfect sense in the end.

Re: Vipassana: 10 days of solitude and insights gained from it

#10
post #7

I loved about the course: - Amazing food - Donation/karma-driven sustainability. Sort of Open Source Meditation :) - Silence (no bullshit talking and no bullshit listening for 10 days) - Heightened sense of creativity achieved - Heightened sense of humor achieved - Great attention to needs to everyone from organizers. - It's funny - I always gave funny nicknames to everyone. I didn't mind: - Goenka parables. I didn't…

Re: maintaining gains. Isn't the point to live free of the very measure of gain/loss this present moment?
Post reply on HN