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Re: The Bully

#21

Post by wpietri »

ditonal wrote: post #7

Well, I'm a nerd but I do agree with the bully. I don't think that the severity of a crime should be judged by a victim's reaction to it. While I see how a suicide might bring notoriety to a problem, I don't think it changes the nature of what was done. It's similar to the Tyler Clementi case, who killed himself because he was being videotaped in gay acts by his roommate. I never thought it was fair that the bully in…

> I believe that his official charges were along those lines, but it was clear it was being taken more seriously because of the suicide.

Consequences have consequences.

If you, like every teen ever, fuck around behind the wheel, probably nothing will happen to you. If you are unlucky, you might get a minor ticket. Run over a child, though, and you're in for a world of hurt. Even though exactly the same amount of youthful off-goofing and bad driving is involved.

Re: The Bully

#22

Post by infinite8s »

wpietri wrote: post #21
ditonal wrote: post #7

Well, I'm a nerd but I do agree with the bully. I don't think that the severity of a crime should be judged by a victim's reaction to it. While I see how a suicide might bring notoriety to a problem, I don't think it changes the nature of what was done. It's similar to the Tyler Clementi case, who killed himself because he was being videotaped in gay acts by his roommate. I never thought it was fair that the bully in…

> I believe that his official charges were along those lines, but it was clear it was being taken more seriously because of the suicide. Consequences have consequences. If you, like every teen ever, fuck around behind the wheel, probably nothing will happen to you. If you are unlucky, you might get a minor ticket. Run over a child, though, and you're in for a world of hurt. Even though exactly the same amount of yout…

What, this makes no sense. In the second case your bad driving directly caused injury to someone (I'm assuming in the first case you do something stupid like drive into a tree).

Re: The Bully

#23

Post by wpietri »

infinite8s wrote: post #22
wpietri wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I believe that his official charges were along those lines, but it was clear it was being taken more seriously because of the suicide. Consequences have consequences. If you, like every teen ever, fuck around behind the wheel, probably nothing will happen to you. If you are unlucky, you might get a minor ticket. Run over a child, though, and you're in for a world of hurt. Even though exactly the same amount of yout…

What, this makes no sense. In the second case your bad driving directly caused injury to someone (I'm assuming in the first case you do something stupid like drive into a tree).

Right. Consequences (of your bad actions) have consequences (for you). We're in agreement.

I'm saying this to contradict ditonal's claim that bullies shouldn't be treated differently when their bullying contributes to suicide.

Re: The Bully

#24

Post by zaidf »

I am not a huge fan of the term "bully" in this conversation because it keeps us from having a nuanced conversation.

The easiest counterpoint is noting so-called "bully-like" behavior from prosecutors in cases that ended up putting someone genuinely dangerous behind bars or into confessing a crime they committed but wouldn't confess to without the so-called "bullying".

So, if we want to talk about this from the perspective of a bully, let's begin by defining what it is and isn't.

Re: The Bully

#25

Post by vijayr »

dpatru wrote: post #14
ditonal wrote: post #7

Well, I'm a nerd but I do agree with the bully. I don't think that the severity of a crime should be judged by a victim's reaction to it. While I see how a suicide might bring notoriety to a problem, I don't think it changes the nature of what was done. It's similar to the Tyler Clementi case, who killed himself because he was being videotaped in gay acts by his roommate. I never thought it was fair that the bully in…

> It's similar to the Tyler Clementi case, who killed himself because he was being videotaped in gay acts by his roommate. I never thought it was fair that the bully in this case would be held accountable . . . This is an unfair analogy. Don't compare a college roommate with a US Attorney. First, they don't have the same moral training: the roommate is young and still in school, while the prosecutor has spent years i…

roommate acted on a sick, misguided impulse intending to embarrass

Pretty much. Also, the roommate had nothing much to gain, politically or career wise.

Re: The Bully

#26

Post by evolve2k »

Wilduck wrote: post #17
ditonal wrote: post #7

Well, I'm a nerd but I do agree with the bully. I don't think that the severity of a crime should be judged by a victim's reaction to it. While I see how a suicide might bring notoriety to a problem, I don't think it changes the nature of what was done. It's similar to the Tyler Clementi case, who killed himself because he was being videotaped in gay acts by his roommate. I never thought it was fair that the bully in…

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Wow such irony in this post, we sit here and cry fowl of unjust and harsh treatment and on face value it smells likes a case of prosecution overreach right in our own backyard.

Re: The Bully

#27

Post by lsc »

I'm not sure the models we use when understanding the behaviour of an individual are useful for understanding the behaviour of a state or another large group with no one individual in control. Groups of people, I think, are fundamentally different entities from individuals.
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